Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?

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Offline w.mayer

Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
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« Reply #130 on: Wed December 06, 2017, 04:41:21 PM »
Today was a "early Christmas" for me!

I had not good feelings that I push Barco hard to make just for me a Software that allows me to playback my 4K3D slides I do since over 10 years and when Barco was ready with this Software it take more than a half year to finally use this function the first time.

So today finally my IT Technician and me installed the new 4K 3D Computer that make it possible to playback in a very easy way this 4K 3D images from a normally inexpensive computer.
It was a bit tricky to do it and we need help from Brainsalt Media in Austria but after 8 hours it works with not any problem at all.
Barco make a perfect job!
It is now so easy to feed with just a standard computer with a cheap Graphic Card 4K3D Images to the Barco Thor.
Select the right Macro at the Barco and start the slide show at the computer and enjoy the 4K3D pictures!
Normally you need a very specially and very expensive Equipment that was very difficult to operate now not anymore.
The Barco Thor show a picture quality that was hard to believe it is simply overwhelming .
As this pictures contain other than many movies the real full 4K resolution at 4096 x 2160 you see a lot of fine details you normally not see.
Some of the newer 3D Pictures I shot in 8K! and  down covert it to 4K.
This as most of us know further enhance the 4K picture quality.

Good also to see that the Barco Thor are not the bottleneck in the system the source material is the bottleneck!

As I say it  was a “early Christmas” for me today I am very very happy.
« Last Edit: Wed December 06, 2017, 04:58:09 PM by w.mayer »

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #131 on: Mon December 11, 2017, 08:04:34 PM »
Today I got the almost last update for my Crestron System that drive the whole cinema and much more.

Now I can select all sources via the the hot keys on the display see picture.
Only a Matrix Switcher is missing as both HDMI Inputs from the Barco Alchemy + Input  was blocked already with other sources.
But my 4K 3D computer need per eye one HDMI Input at the Barco.
As I not like to disconnect both HDMI cables and connenct it after I finish the 4K 3D Computer Slide Show
I need such a system that can be controlled with the Crestron System and the hot keys as well.

Offline donaldk

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« Reply #132 on: Mon December 11, 2017, 09:19:12 PM »
So Wolfgang what are your criteria in selecting an HDMI 2.0a/b matrix? Have you identified any candidates yet? I know Peter ran into trouble, or just less concerning issues with all of the first/second generation HDMI 2.0 switchers/matrices. Mostly EDID issues, but we are at least another year down the road, so what could/would work. The HDFury products allow for forcing displays in HDR mode, so that might be an option for just switching two HDMI sources to one display. But not sufficient if one has to have two or more outputs, or more inputs.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #133 on: Tue December 12, 2017, 04:08:55 AM »
You are right the guy install my Crestron System told me already that it will be difficult to find a switcher/matrix that can support all the inputs signals.
Worst is the Billy Linn Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk movie with 3840x2160 at 60P HDR and Rec. 2020 color.
If the matrix can handle this I am fine.
Computer 4K 3D is just 2 times 3840x2160 24P SDR Rec. 709.
My guess the big names have one but this will be not cheap.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #134 on: Tue December 12, 2017, 03:31:04 PM »
https://www.crestron.com/Products/Model/HD-MD6X2-4K-E

Hope this works fine with all my sources it should be you never know for sure till you try it.

Offline donaldk

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« Reply #135 on: Tue December 12, 2017, 05:54:44 PM »
Uhm 8Bit, like Creston had at ISE 2016.

60 Hz   4:2:0   24 bit

https://www.crestron.com/downloads/pdf/spec_sheets/commercial_and_residential/hd-md6x2-4k-e.pdf

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #136 on: Wed December 13, 2017, 05:42:19 AM »
Thank you for your note Donald!

It is already on the way to me but I will return the shipment without try it.
You are right 8 bit is too low i need 10 bit.

Offline donaldk

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« Reply #137 on: Wed December 13, 2017, 09:07:32 AM »
10 Bit 4:2:0 is already a niche, 4:2:2 a rarity with 60 Hz. Even the ones that claim 600 Mhz bandwidth can have issues with EDID even with EDID management.  You are one of the few that said you required 4:2:2 also giving the difficulty of Barco handling 4:2:0. Consumer sources are all 4:2:0, there simply aren't (m)any 4:2:2 cabable HEVC chipsets. There is at least one output chip, but that only does 4:2:0 conversion on the output, not 4:2:2 handling/throughput. So if you want to see that new RTL Drama next spring in 4K and HDR (HD+ simulcasing in 4K?), you have to have 50P, and 10 bit 4:2:0 input. I hope you don't have to pay big time for a Barco E2/E3.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #138 on: Wed December 13, 2017, 10:52:17 AM »
I think I have report already that Barco had new Software for the Barco Thor that now  work with 4:2:0.
So this is not a issue anymore.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #139 on: Thu December 14, 2017, 10:02:35 AM »
Today I got a missing file that allows me to playback 4K 3D at 30 frames per second with the Barco Thor.
The clip I have in this frame rate show now a smoother motion compare to 24P.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #140 on: Thu December 14, 2017, 08:20:56 PM »
Since long time I plan to do it.

I measure the Cr. the Barco Thor have today in details.

Reason was that I lately found out that especially for UHD HDR Content there must be a very good match with the source in my case the Oppo player and the Barco Thor projector.
It take some time till I learn how this parameters for contrast and brightness have to be adjust from the Oppo player and what must be then adjust in the Barco Thor about the nit adjustments and other things.

When the unit was new I found till above 6000:1 on off cr. with a high ansi Cr. in the 950:1 range.
So when you are interested to see for the first time ever what I measure with the direct source and corrected
Black and White Test pattern take a look at this " hand drawing" I have made.
Please not tell me I am bad about such drawings I know it.

« Last Edit: Thu December 14, 2017, 08:33:31 PM by w.mayer »

Offline MrPixels

Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
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« Reply #141 on: Thu December 14, 2017, 10:13:17 PM »
Nice to see higher numbers toward the edge of the screen due to laser light source.

When your projector was new and you first measured contrast above 6000:1 did you use the uncorrected or corrected test pattern.
If uncorrected then the projector has maintained its contrast, very nice.
It is expected to see a brightness and contrast drop when using corrected patterns.

These numbers look very good and a little more then three times better then the average cinema projector.

« Last Edit: Thu December 14, 2017, 10:19:28 PM by MrPixels »

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #142 on: Fri December 15, 2017, 02:32:07 AM »
The original 6300:1 was after the last cr. upgrade measured with the
uncorrected black white and internal test pattern so native without any color correction and uniformity correction.

Interesting to see when I switch uniformity to off that this kills just about 1% of the lumen in average so almost nothing!
The real drop are comes from the color correction and there it is important where your laser power will be during you measure.

The bit more I found today can be a better adjustment of the source and Barco.
Possible as it is only about a good 1% that it was a measurement difference.

So there is not any cr. drop there for sure.

As I say when cr. and brightness are "just a little out of perfect" in this system during displaying HDR material the cr. can easy drop to only 3000:1 or below!
Also nit clipping point is important.