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« Reply #105 on: Tue October 31, 2017, 12:53:59 AM »
I watched this also, very good quality. There are some scenes that show very good HDR, one was with Anthony Hopkins when they enter the submarine you can see the HDR.

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« Reply #106 on: Sat November 04, 2017, 12:42:54 PM »
I report already about the super good Picture Quality the UHD Disc from “Transformers The last Knight” have.

As this was a big surprise after I read in several web pages that this UHD Disc was made from a 2K Master ( I doubt this) I order the 3D BD as well to check it out.

I got it yesterday and I must say "WOW" what a good 3D may the best 3D BD I saw so far!
Very much details inside very good 3D what a nice 3D picture only from a 3D BD.
So sad that today UHD Disc not support 4K 3D HDR Rec. 2020 Colors.

As I doing 3D since almost 40 years I wonder how this can be done via a 2D to 3D conversion I found this good info about how they shot the movie in 3D:
http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/trailers/834579-michael-bay-blows-stuff-up-in-3d-in-transformers-the-last-knight-featurette

I really strongly recommend the “3D BD Transformers The last Knight”.
If you are a fan of 3D this is a must have Disc that shows how good a 3D BD can look with a good 3D Setup.

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« Reply #107 on: Sun November 12, 2017, 06:16:47 AM »
I got some special content yesterday.

2 time laps macro 3D 4K clips from flowers and one 3D Germany Movie from a puppeteer movie.
The 2 time laps 4K 3D clips are in 2 versions there.
One in 24P and also in 30P that my Barco Thor should play but he cannot play the 4K 3D 30P version.
Looks like there is a bug inside that Barco not solve so far as I get a bad strong slow flicker when I playback the 30P version.
Hope Barco can solve this as the Projector can normally do 4K 30P 3D.

Here a nice link for all that have fun to going inside a bit further into what is the best possible picture quality.
This guy did 2001 and Blade Runner and many other films and his vision about future about watching movies was really a very good read!
Dont miss it!
http://www.in70mm.com/news/2017/trumbull/index.htm

« Last Edit: Sun November 12, 2017, 06:19:39 AM by w.mayer »

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« Reply #108 on: Sun November 12, 2017, 12:20:50 PM »
Nice post, you are always on the cutting edge with 3D and the very best content. I hope Barco can fix 30P issue in your projector so you enjoy the content the way it was meant to be seen.
Thanks for the link, I enjoyed the article. I wish the Pods were readily available Id buy one "if affordable", maybe thats why you dont see then for sale.

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« Reply #109 on: Sun November 12, 2017, 01:40:31 PM »
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I can't upload an example of an off the shelf projection dome.

In DYI there have been plenty of examples including silverscreen in the sim world.

Or if in Europe, buy my Vutec 120".

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« Reply #110 on: Fri November 17, 2017, 04:19:44 PM »
This week Wednesday I open my cinema for a visit from some good friends that comes with some very special content and we did a lot of compare of different source materials include some very unique 4K 3D Time laps in 24P and 30P and some other DCI 3D Material.

We had a long evening till 10:30pm.

First we compare “Passengers” the UHD 4K 2D Version Rec. 2020 and HDR to the 3D BD 2K Version.
Here we all can see very good how much the difference this 2 versions have.
The UHD Version show a lot more details thanks to the true 4K Master much better color and some nice HDR Effects but 3D was big missing!
The 2K BD 3D Version show visible less details less good color no HDR but had 3D on and even it was only a 2D to 3D Up convert it opens up a new dimension as 2D to 3D was made very well.
Hard as we are all together big 3D lovers to rate what is better but to me I prefer the UHD Version in 2D as their advantage is huge compare to the 3D BD Version.

Often such a compare goes the other way.
A good sample is “The Martian”.
This UHD Disc was based on 2K Master and not show a perfect picture so I prefer the 3D BD Version as over all this is the more impressive version.
But please note that all such comparison was done with the Barco 6P Thor Projector that had the best possible 3D at the market and compare to other
Projectors they often show a much less good 3D Picture with a lot less brightness less color and not perfect ghosting.
But also 2D looks better than everything I have seen so far.
Take this into account when you may do this compare with other Projectors and may got different results as I got with the Barco Thor 6P Laser Pr.

The above is a clear sign that if the potential from what a UHD Disc “can” offer if was perfect made can be the winner in such a compare over a 3D BD but reality 
are often different.

We also compare Billy Lynn’s “Long Halftime Walk” UHD Version the only so far movie UHD Disc that had a 4K “60P” HDR Rec. 2020 Version.
As this movie was shot in real 3D the 3D Effect is better than the up convert Passengers 3D BD so the compare had a different result.
There we really have the first 15 min. big problems to adopt to the 60P Framerate the UHD offers.
It not looks like film anymore but after some 20 min. we adopt to it and when we than change back to the 3D BD version that have only 24P we was shocked how bad 24P looks in motion
and we need again time to adopt to this as well!
Than we wish us 60P back!
So for me it will be just take some time till more movies was shot in HFR 60P or in future may 120P or an adaptive Frame Rate that was discusses lately in the Industry a lot till you will found
24P a nightmare to watch.
My daughter’s 12 and 15 are say when they see first time this 4K 60P Content “Papa super good first time not any stutter visible” !!!

Later we watch a part of a nice 2K 3D Cinema DCI Content from the Movie
“Kalif Storch in 3D” shot in the in the Puppet Payhouse in Bad Tölz near Munich that Albert and Karl Heinz (both to the left) owns and runs.
You can see it at YouTube in 3D in good quality but you need a Red Cyan Glasses:

BTW I know Albert since I was a young boy at 16 years as he was as I in the Munich 3D Club 40 years ago.

One of the highlight for all of  us was to see first time Günters ( in picture he was at the right side) new 4K 3D Time-lapse that was record with a full frame Canon 5D Mark2.
This content was the best 4K 3D I have seen so far.
Sad we can’t play it back in 30P as the Pr. still had a bug but in 24P it plays without any problem.

My guest was all simply overwhelmed how this 3D and as well 2D looks.
They was very surprised how bright this Pr. was in 3D even if the Cr. improvement takes almost 50% light away and how the 3D looks with no ghosting at all a very high cr. and a world record ansi cr.
perfect color and with an razor-sharp image on the screen paired with a very nice perfect uniformity and not any visible shading.

The all agree that this was the best 3D they have ever saw and even more they say it was the best overall picture they saw from a digital Projector in there live.
As this comes from people that are doing 3D over 40 years long  and saw everything in 3D means a lot.

It confirms my statement I do some time ago that the Barco Thor is not only in 3D also in 2D the best overall Projector money can buy today.

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« Reply #111 on: Sat November 18, 2017, 08:54:55 AM »
Billy Lynn was shot in 240 pictures per second 120 per eye. So 3D in 120P 4K to each eye. Ang Lee made many versions to suit his judgement for the many releases. 24P 4K, 60P 4K, 120P 2K, and 4K, among others..

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« Reply #112 on: Sat November 18, 2017, 01:27:08 PM »

That was almost right.
100% correct  is that it was shot in120 Frames per eye in 3D but not in 4K they shot it in 8K.
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« Reply #113 on: Sun November 19, 2017, 02:33:39 AM »
Ah, that was not what Ang Lee, and his head of technology, told us. But I am pleased to hear that they chose the highest spatial resolution available.

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« Reply #114 on: Sun November 19, 2017, 06:23:56 AM »
Ang Lee use 2 Sony F65 in a 3D Rick for the movie.
This Camera can shot in 8K but I am not 100% sure they can do 8K together with 120P.
8K 3D 120 Frame was told to me from one of the Studio Guy that should know it.
Anyway as I like to know it I have write a Mail to one that should know it for sure.
Also possible that the shot in 8K 3D at 60 P per eye and made from this content a 120P Version.

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« Reply #115 on: Sun November 19, 2017, 07:59:58 AM »
Nope it was shot in 120. A 60P was created from that. I asked him if 120 was not limiting. Not really, but he would like to use 240 if and when available, I was suggesting 1200;-).

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« Reply #116 on: Sun November 19, 2017, 03:31:03 PM »
I got the feedback from some VIP about how this movie was shot and you are right I was wrong see here what he mail me:

"It was shot with two Sony F65 cameras.  These cameras have 8k horizontal resolution, but this does not translate into 8k picture resolution.  Rather it makes very good 4k resolution with oversampling.  The production was graded and released on a limited basis at 4K 120fps, the UHD BD is 4K 60p, one of the few titles available at this frame rate.

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« Reply #117 on: Sun November 19, 2017, 03:58:03 PM »
Indeed Christie flew the pair of projectors that was used in the grading suite around the world. First to a demo at IBC 2016.Then a full length screening at NYC Film Festival (world premier) a screening in London, one in Singapore?, and I believe one in China, Hong Kong or Shanghai, I don't remember what I heared.
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« Reply #118 on: Tue November 21, 2017, 07:40:51 PM »
I recommend if you are interested to find out how our today possible super good picture quality starts in 18th century to take a look here.

http://dci-forum.com/back-roots-tv-history-beginning/24/mechanical-television-primer/2463/

Albert are very knowledge in this all and found it very nice from him that he post in future there more things.
Good that DCI Forum had this new section as I know beside me more people that are very interested to read about it.

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« Reply #119 on: Fri November 24, 2017, 11:45:20 AM »
Terminator 2 is one of the best movies I saw so far in my live.

I cannot remember how many times in how many versions I watch it but I think more than 10 times for sure.
I remember that I had a Laser Disc Import from Japan that had a for Laser Disc very rare Anamorphic NTSC Version on!

So I was very impatient to see this new scanned and mastered Terminator 2 UHD and 3D BD.

A short look yesterday show for the 3D BD a very good picture quality but a big surprise I see some 2D to 3D artefacts that I have never see from such a big movie and I really wonder how this can happen when James Cameron did it?
Normally his name is a guaranty for a super good picture quality like for sample the super good Titanic 2D to 3D conversion.

We will watch the whole movie in 3D BD possible later today or over the weekend and let’s see if there is beside the bugs I have seen in the opening sequence other 3D bugs as well inside.
Beside this 2D to 3D Bugs the quality is outstanding and show a much better picture compare to all old other versions that show this movie see also the pictures down.
I never thing that I can see T2 in this quality in my live as all versions that are till today out not show a good picture quality but now this change.

So it was a surprise to me how good it looks but more than the 3D BD surprise me the UHD Version as I thought that the original Super35mm Film not contains much more than just 2K resolution.
So I expect a good 3D BD but doubt that the UHD Version are can show more.
This UHD Disc was the proof that it is possible and that S35mm Film can have more than 2K inside as compare to the 3D BD it show an even better picture quality.
More details are visible in some sequences and better color and HDR.
UHD version was a bit dim from my taste and strange some parts that should show a full black show not a full black so not sure if there was a near black bug inside as some other UHD Disc have.
Also what is a bit strange that normally the OPPO UHD Player 203 show when you hit the Info bottom for 2 to 3 sec. a detailed  information list.
In the section where the player show normally min. and max. nit was nothing inside at all!
This was the first UHD Disc I have seen that not show there any data.
Not sure what cause it and bad I can see this info.
At least the Oppo show in the beginning the HDR 10 Logo.

Will report when I have news and may there are other reader here that had this new version and like to report as well.

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« Reply #120 on: Sat November 25, 2017, 08:08:51 AM »
Here are the picture compare I forget to post.
Go inside as you only can see there the differences in the preview it is not good visible.
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« Reply #121 on: Sat November 25, 2017, 07:33:19 PM »
Just watch the whole T2 3D BD tonight.

WOW the best Version I have seen in my live.
Beside some minor 2D to 3D bugs I report already I not see any more big bugs.
I have ask my Family if they saw something but no one saw any bug :)
So we all enjoy the movie a lot even if we saw this movie many times.

3D Version was as I post very bright and show a very nice compare to all other versions
more detailed picture with better color less noise and yes first time 3D.

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« Reply #122 on: Mon November 27, 2017, 01:37:32 PM »
This will be likely my new Screen build from the V6 XXL Screen Material.

I found some very interesting things about this screen material but this is so hot that I can not  talk about it since I figure out if what cause what I found.
This can take some time.

I still have hope I have this Screen install till Christmas "this year"  :)
« Last Edit: Mon November 27, 2017, 05:22:59 PM by w.mayer »

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« Reply #123 on: Mon November 27, 2017, 02:00:49 PM »
Looking at your pictures of T2 comparing the new transfer to the old is showing a big improvement. I will get this title based on your review.

 Looks like you are making some changes to your cinema, keep us posted on the progress of your screen installation.

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« Reply #124 on: Wed November 29, 2017, 07:15:58 PM »
I just screened Valerian, the PQ is outstanding with plenty of neon colors. A perfect title to show off the wide color gamut of an RGB laser projector.

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« Reply #125 on: Thu November 30, 2017, 02:26:33 AM »
I don’t know what version you saw but guess the UHD Version as you say that color looks so good.

I will get Valerian in 3D BD and UHD today and will for sure watch it over the weekend.

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« Reply #126 on: Thu November 30, 2017, 10:20:44 AM »
Im sorry, yes it was the UHD version. This movie reminds me of "The Fifth Element" just as the soundtrack of Lucy brought back memories of "The Fifth Element"...I wonder why:)

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« Reply #127 on: Fri December 01, 2017, 01:10:50 PM »
I check Valerian UHD Disc 2D and 3D BD today and shot some high resolution 4K Pictures.
All of them are real Screenshots from the Screen with a 50MP Canon Full Frame Camera in 8K down covert to 4K for posting.

I read many times in IMDb under "See full technical specs" that the Cinematographic Process was 2K and I wonder many times why when I compare BD 2D or 3D Version to a UHD the UHD show more details like Valerian and many other movies.
I doubt since long time that it was always the right info there.
Anyway watch the picture in full 4K and see for yourself.

What was also nice that even the computer animated Parts show more details see the closeup.

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« Reply #128 on: Fri December 01, 2017, 01:32:59 PM »
You can really see the difference between the UHD and BD in your last two pictures when watching full screen. The colors are also very nice in this movie. Eye candy if you have an RGB laser projector like the Barco Thor:)

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« Reply #129 on: Fri December 01, 2017, 05:53:41 PM »
We just see the 3D BD version of Valerian.

A nice interesting movie as you say with a very colorful picture.
The 3D BD was a good quality 3D BD and looks nice.

Direct after the 3D BD version I watch with my kids some may 10 min. from the UHD Version.
Well the color was visible much better resolution was better with a lot more texture and HDR on top hard to say
witch version is the better one when watching it with the Barco Thor.
My guess is that most Projectors that have a much dimmer far less good 3D Picture than the Barco Thor it is likely better way to watch the 4K UHD Version.

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« Reply #130 on: Wed December 06, 2017, 04:41:21 PM »
Today was a "early Christmas" for me!

I had not good feelings that I push Barco hard to make just for me a Software that allows me to playback my 4K3D slides I do since over 10 years and when Barco was ready with this Software it take more than a half year to finally use this function the first time.

So today finally my IT Technician and me installed the new 4K 3D Computer that make it possible to playback in a very easy way this 4K 3D images from a normally inexpensive computer.
It was a bit tricky to do it and we need help from Brainsalt Media in Austria but after 8 hours it works with not any problem at all.
Barco make a perfect job!
It is now so easy to feed with just a standard computer with a cheap Graphic Card 4K3D Images to the Barco Thor.
Select the right Macro at the Barco and start the slide show at the computer and enjoy the 4K3D pictures!
Normally you need a very specially and very expensive Equipment that was very difficult to operate now not anymore.
The Barco Thor show a picture quality that was hard to believe it is simply overwhelming .
As this pictures contain other than many movies the real full 4K resolution at 4096 x 2160 you see a lot of fine details you normally not see.
Some of the newer 3D Pictures I shot in 8K! and  down covert it to 4K.
This as most of us know further enhance the 4K picture quality.

Good also to see that the Barco Thor are not the bottleneck in the system the source material is the bottleneck!

As I say it  was a “early Christmas” for me today I am very very happy.
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« Reply #131 on: Yesterday at 08:04:34 PM »
Today I got the almost last update for my Crestron System that drive the whole cinema and much more.

Now I can select all sources via the the hot keys on the display see picture.
Only a Matrix Switcher is missing as both HDMI Inputs from the Barco Alchemy + Input  was blocked already with other sources.
But my 4K 3D computer need per eye one HDMI Input at the Barco.
As I not like to disconnect both HDMI cables and connenct it after I finish the 4K 3D Computer Slide Show
I need such a system that can be controlled with the Crestron System and the hot keys as well.

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« Reply #132 on: Yesterday at 09:19:12 PM »
So Wolfgang what are your criteria in selecting an HDMI 2.0a/b matrix? Have you identified any candidates yet? I know Peter ran into trouble, or just less concerning issues with all of the first/second generation HDMI 2.0 switchers/matrices. Mostly EDID issues, but we are at least another year down the road, so what could/would work. The HDFury products allow for forcing displays in HDR mode, so that might be an option for just switching two HDMI sources to one display. But not sufficient if one has to have two or more outputs, or more inputs.

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You are right the guy install my Crestron System told me already that it will be difficult to find a switcher/matrix that can support all the inputs signals.
Worst is the Billy Linn Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk movie with 3840x2160 at 60P HDR and Rec. 2020 color.
If the matrix can handle this I am fine.
Computer 4K 3D is just 2 times 3840x2160 24P SDR Rec. 709.
My guess the big names have one but this will be not cheap.

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https://www.crestron.com/Products/Model/HD-MD6X2-4K-E

Hope this works fine with all my sources it should be you never know for sure till you try it.


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