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Offline MrPixels

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« Reply #70 on: Mon July 10, 2017, 05:03:39 PM »
Nice saturated colors, flesh tones look natural. The high ANSI is very visible in the pictures, in a strange way it almost hurts your eyes. Very nice!

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« Reply #71 on: Tue July 11, 2017, 08:09:32 AM »
New XXL V6 Screen arrive after some custom delays.

Offline Leo Nolan

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« Reply #72 on: Wed July 19, 2017, 04:43:29 AM »
Hello, I have been following your journey on this projector since the very beginning, and all I can say is thanks for sharing it with us. As you have an oled display and i have seen one in person I know how amazing It looks. From your subject opinion, how does the Thor picture quality compares with the oled's? Is the Thor's picture quality as good ad the oled's?

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #73 on: Wed July 19, 2017, 05:23:54 AM »
Hi Leo welcome to this forum.

Are you following since the beginning here or as well in AVS Forum?
I ask because I think have post it long time ago at AVS this question.

But anyway I try to do it short with the view from today.

Let say it in this way.
If you say the OLED is the best picture today and I think it is then the Barco Thor is the best Projector that comes very close to this picture quality from OLED and in some details he is better than OLEDs.

Pro about Thor:
-Thor have better colors than the OLED
-Thor have much bigger picture than the OLED
-Thor have depends on the screen size more FTL on the screen than OLED can do
-Thor have at least if not more ANSI Cr. than the OLED
-Thor do 3D at full 4K resolution OLED can not do anymore 3D at all

Con about the Thor:
-Thor have less good on off cr. compare to OLED
-Thor is big an heavy
-Thor need some Crestron to drive it as it was to complex for the normally user

But most limit for OLED is now the size.
77" is not a big picture is only a big TV!
A good home cinema should have at least a 4 meter wide screen.

Most difference if you look "only" about the picture quality then the good 6000:1 on of cr. ratio that the Thor have can not match with the infinity on off cr. OLED have.
But this is only weak part in other parameters see above the Thor is the better display.

What is for me always amazing how sharp and "clear" the Thor picture was.
It is not only the high ansi cr. there are more issues responsible for this amazing good picture the Thor have.

So to answer your question short yes the Thor is very close to the OLED in some ways even better and only in on off cr. not as good.
All in all more positive to the Thor.

Offline Leo Nolan

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« Reply #74 on: Wed July 19, 2017, 03:42:18 PM »
Thanks for the welcome man!
I've followed your thread since avs forum, and it is very impressive, you probably have the best home cinema ever.
Thanks for answering my question, it was very clear. It is amazing to think that a screen that big has comparable or even better picture quality to a 70" tv.
By the way, 2001 is also one of my favorite movies, and it looks extremely nice on your Thor. I've learnt that the master for the blu ray was done from an old 35mm film print, instead of 70mm. I think the image in your Thor really recalls a 35mm film projection of the print. Hopefully, some day there will be a new master 70mm master of the film, I am sure it would look stunning in your Thor.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #75 on: Thu July 20, 2017, 04:10:38 AM »
Nice to hear but best is to much.
As I have post I made no compromise in picture quality so I build a black box witch not looks at nice as some with fancy items decorated home cinema as I like to concentrate about the picture.
Nothing should take your attention away from the picture at the screen this was my goal and everything
have to  subordinate to that.

As 2001 will have next year the 50th University it is possible that we will get a new scan hopefully from a good 70mm Version.

The fifth Element UHD is on the way to me and should arrive tomorrow.
This is one UHD Disc I waiting for together with the new Terminator 2 Version in 3D and UHD.

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« Reply #76 on: Thu July 20, 2017, 06:16:31 AM »
Hello Wolfgang,

i saw the avs review of both Besson 5th and Leon and they looks promising. Looking forward to your Report!
According to your nice 2001 Picture and 70mm notes.

Not miss to see Nolans "Dunkirk" 75 min shout in IMAX 1:1,43 in 4k Laser in Berlin next week
Starting today in Pragues Flora IMAX in glory 15/70 mm 1:1,43, but i will see it in german...

heres a link to nolans format guide
Christopher Nolan's 'Dunkirk' Gets Massive 70mm Release — Here's Where It's Playing

best Dirk

« Last Edit: Thu July 20, 2017, 06:21:53 AM by dirk goetze »

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #77 on: Thu July 20, 2017, 08:30:09 AM »
I do not give anyting to AVS reports as there since years people talk about good picture quality from the BD or other source material.
More than one time I found this "so good Picture" very bad with my projectors.

Often later I found out that the people report about "this very good picture" have a 50" Plasma and sit 4 or more times the screen wide back!
In this setup everything including VHS Tapes looks good :)

I will be wait to see this new Nolans Movie in UHD at my home with a "perfect picture" :)
I am a big fan of Nolans Movies most of them I see it more than one time.
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Offline Leo Nolan

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« Reply #78 on: Sun July 23, 2017, 01:05:25 AM »
Have you seen the IMAX with laser system tho? I haven't but I've heard wonderful things. It would be fun to know how it compares with your thor.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #79 on: Sun July 23, 2017, 05:48:53 PM »
How you can compare?

Very difficult
-not same room
-not same screen size
-not same screen surface
-not same content and so on...........

Commercial Cinema need a exit light I not ....
Commercial Cinema need because of fire protection a port hole glass that kills a lot of quality I not.

So there are many other parameters where it is unfair to compare and I have not seen IMAX myself.
I hear it looks good.
I know a friend that was in Germany Sinsheim in a IMAX and I think he like it.
So far I remember right they have 2 Projectors so 3D motion looks very good I am sure.
He like the picture a lot he told me.

I saw Dolby Vision one time.
It was a nice good picture (a normally 2D movie in 2K) bright with very good blacks ( on off cr.) and good color.
But the Ansi Cr. was for sure not as good as the Thor.

A big plus as I say was to have this Projector in a private room so no need for port hole glass that kills all what is in a 4K Source inside and you can if you like design the room how you like it and with no need for a exit sign or other compromises the Cinemas have to do.

Some VIP visit me some days ago and he saw everything.
Not sure I have report about it already or not but he told me it was the best Image he saw so far.
He know IMAX and Dolby Vision so this say a lot.

5th Element UHD Disc not arrive me on time for the weekend so sad..... but hope for tomorrow.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #80 on: Thu July 27, 2017, 06:55:08 PM »
Yesterday something exiting happen.

I got after long time a first 4K3D “””Video””” content in 24P and the Thor play it back with not any problem.

Content was coming from Günter Peschke.
No wonder that the Hollywood Reporter call him the 3D Brain from Germany in an older edition.
Thanks also to the Guy that convert the RAW Material record with 2 Red Dragon to a DCI 4K 3D 24P Stream.

The Barco 4K Laser Projectors include the Thor are so far I know the only Projectors in the world that can playback this
4K 3D content in 24P and 30P.
This content looks unbelievable good nothing I have seen in my live match this quality!

Sad is that the Barco Thor had a bug that makes the playback a bit time consuming.
When you playback DCI Content and switch to other content like BD in 2D or 3D or UHD Disc the color from
DCI Content is still on but then the Barco show a wrong color as the source is not anymore DCI content!
Much too much red the picture is not watchable.
The only temporary solution is to switch after you finish to playback DCI Content to a BD Marco or any other Macro than is NOT DCI and shut the Pr. down and start up again.
Then you have the right color again till you will playback again DCI Content but it takes about close to 10 minutes.
Switching manual the color did not work.

Open the picture in full 4K at least you can guess a bit how good it will be looks live.

Offline Cinetom

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« Reply #81 on: Thu July 27, 2017, 08:16:47 PM »
Colors look amazing, WOW!

Offline Leo Nolan

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« Reply #82 on: Fri July 28, 2017, 03:00:05 AM »
Hello, this really does look amazing, the color is stunning. I am wondering about the quality of 4k blu rays compared to dcp. Will the 4k blu ray of a movie look noticeably worse than the dip version?

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #83 on: Fri July 28, 2017, 04:25:04 AM »
A good UHD BD "can" look as good as a DCI Content with not any big visible Differences.

In the past comparing a 2K 2D BD to a DCI File the DCI File was always better.
Easy to see that color was so much better.

Now with UHD Disc this is very likely not anymore the case.

It is on my agenda to get some DCI 4K Material that I can get also in 4K UHD Disc.
And if both are good mastered I expect a very similar picture.




Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #84 on: Fri July 28, 2017, 11:54:17 AM »
I have test "The 5th Element" on UHD Disc.

It looks great for such an old in 35mm movie!
Colors where nice and all other things looks also good.
Sony did a good job and not remove in some sequences the noise that are coming from the 35mm Film itself
as other Studios do from time to time and this is not good.

All the computer animations are of course still up convert 2K Material but all the rest look very nice.
If you are a fan of this Movie you should get this disc as it show the Movie better than ever.

I hear it was sold out at Amazon US so looks like there are more people there that take care about quality than some company’s think
and this is a good news and makes me happy!

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« Reply #85 on: Thu August 03, 2017, 10:05:03 AM »
Hello Wolfgang,

I'm curios what's going on with your new Fabric ?
Away from the fact if you will replace your former screen,what are your general impression ?

Best Regards dirk

P.S. I know you 1 in a million who can say I will wait and watch the movie in better /best quality AT HOME, but the 75 minutes 1,43: 1 "nativ" IMAX in Dunkirk is worth a try and I think the chance to see it that way, will not come so fast in the near future. I leave the IMAX Berlin very impressed !

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #86 on: Sat August 05, 2017, 08:58:30 PM »
As i have post i got the big roll but it will take some time as i dont know how i mount it and how i do it exactly.
As this material offers me to put the speakers behind i think to may do this but then i have to rebuild the box for the speakers as i need it less deep.
But may i will do this new screen just in front of my old screen.
Disatvantage then new screen will be about 0,7 meters more close to the distance we normally watch movies (the secound middle row).
Picture will be about good 15% dimmer. Not a Problem at all for 2d ( need do dim down laser as it was still to bright) but for 3d maximum will be only about 24ftl anymore ( with Isco 1,25 anamorpnic lens) :).
Advantage if something i not like about the new screen than i simply can remove the new screen and have my old screen back.
Speckling will be reduce to almost 0 even for 3d where speckling is more visible than in 2d.

Think it will be 1-2 months to deside and do it.
Will report about it here.

Offline Leo Nolan

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« Reply #87 on: Mon August 07, 2017, 04:10:36 AM »

Hello Dirk, I haven't yet had a chance to see the imax with laser system and I know the one in Berlin is one of the few there are, how was the picture quality?

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #88 on: Thu August 24, 2017, 09:18:51 AM »
I am back from holiday but looks like the bug that no one can read page 1 from this thread is still not solved.
So are this page with all my post and pictures has gone now?

Online dirk goetze

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« Reply #89 on: Thu August 24, 2017, 09:39:21 AM »
yes, page one is NOT available for me, only page 2
« Last Edit: Thu August 24, 2017, 09:40:09 AM by dirk goetze »

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« Reply #90 on: Fri September 01, 2017, 08:50:40 AM »
Wolfgang Deutsche Telekom is expanding its 4K offer, with a new box shipping this fall. Interesting enough for you to add to your list of 4K sources?

Netflix 4K is still rare in Europe, Sky is already available direct from Sky;-).

Der neue Media Receiver MR 401 kommt im Herbst auf den Markt und unterstützt den Ultra-HD-Standard mit einer bis zu vierfach höheren Auflösung als Full HD. Das passende Videoangebot will die Telekom dann auch gleich liefern, zum Start sollen UHD-Inhalte von Videoload, Netflix, YouTube und Sky verfügbar sein – teils natürlich kostenpflichtig. Darüber hinaus verspricht die Telekom einen UHD-Kanal namens „Insight TV“ mit Inhalten aus Technik, Abenteuer, Reisen und Extremsportarten. Zudem soll ab der kommenden Saison pro Spieltag jeweils ein Spiel der Deutschen Eishockey Liga ohne Zusatzkosten in UHD-Auflösung gezeigt werden. Für das Live-Streaming dieser Inhalte ist ein MagentaZuhause L-Tarif mit bis zu 100 MBit/s im Download nötig, auf Abruf verfügbare Inhalte stehen für alle EntertainTV-Kunden zur Verfügung.

Ergänzend vermeldet die Telekom auch den Erwerb zusätzlicher Medienrechte. So werden vom 4. Oktober an die Krimiserie „Cardinal“, die Comedy-Serie „Better Things“ die für den Emmy nominierte US-Serie „The Handmaid’s Tale“ in Deutschland ausschließlich über EntertainTV verfügbar sein. Zusätzliche Partnerschaften mit den Studios Fox und UFA integrieren Serien wie „The Walking Dead“, „Prison Break“, „24“ oder „How I met your mother“ und viele deutsche Filmklassiker und Fernsehfilme in EntertainTV.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #91 on: Mon September 25, 2017, 12:48:40 PM »
Likely tomorrow Barco will send me a new Software for the Thor.

Not sure jet what exactly will be new but if there are news I will post it.

I like to report that I was in my holiday house for some weeks.
There I have a Sony VW520 Pr. a good looking 4K LCOS Pr.

But now as my Thor got all the improvements (2 times cr. improvement and the new Alchemy+) and I get used to this picture quality for a long time I was a bit
surprised how the picture from the Sony 520 Pr. looks.

When I comes back and fire up the Barco Thor Pr. I saw a way better picture what a big difference.
I was not expecting this huge difference.
Of course I need to consider that the Sony cost a fraction of a Barco Thor and no question for the money the Sony VP520 cost it show a wonderful good picture
but it was for me very surprising how much differences I can see after I adopt to the Barco Thor Projector Picture Quality for longer time.

The Thor in my small holiday home cinema is for sure not anything I consider but it will be interesting to compare in few weeks the Sony VW 760 (in US the VW 885)
to the Barco Balder Pr.
I will be not comparing the existing version with the Rec 709 color wheel and wait for the new DCI Color wheel when it became available that can do 100% DCI color otherwise this compare made not
much sense.
Everbody that saw the Lokki or Baldur saw a more or less Rec. 709 Color Picture with may just a little more color that Rec. 709 had.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #92 on: Wed September 27, 2017, 09:04:22 AM »
Yesterday I got new Software from Barco that fix the issue I had report that when you playback DCI Content and switch back for sample to 4K UHD HDR the color was wrong displayed.

This bug is now gone.

On top of this Barco fix some minor color bug that was there when you playback UHD 4K HDR Material in Rec. 2020 color space.
This improve the color even if it was too small for me to see a difference between now and before.

Offline lygren

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« Reply #93 on: Thu September 28, 2017, 03:21:12 PM »
Looking forward to your impressions with the UltraWeave "XXL" V6 when and if you are able to figure out how to install it Wolfgang! :) Glad to hear Barco is tweaking the Thor software continuously as well, those guys are really pro´s!

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #94 on: Thu September 28, 2017, 07:22:59 PM »

Me too!
I was at a long holiday comes back very sick have to tread the sickness and I am almost on my way to Far East and Japan so time is a huge problem.
Than I have not jet design how I will do it but I will have some time this weekend and next week where I hopefully can do a bit more on this.
I have some first plan already and may one of them is a easy solution where I put the Screen about
70 cm in front of the existing screen.
Advantage will be no need to modify 3 front speakers and existing screen can be as a back up behind.
But in this case I am not  sure as it was a huge 21 sq-meter big white wall behind the V6 if this is not any problem Jon?
A other issue is the distance when I move the whole screen to the seating 0,7 meter my max. screen size will be less big but I sit more close.
All this have to take into consideration and this is not a easy thing to deside.
As no one knows the outcome today I can not do the big change.

But I can assure you I am more impatient to see the result than anybody else. :)

Offline lygren

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« Reply #95 on: Fri September 29, 2017, 02:16:38 AM »
It´s certainly one HUGE piece of screen fabric that you´d be working with there Wolfgang, but you might consider using the grip rails that were included (grey ones), and did I send you that Fabricmate pro tucking tool? Hmm, perhaps if you just glue the grip rails on the SIDE of the frame (I do recommend Casco XtremFix glue to fix the grip rails though though, but I do not believe I included one, perhaps you can get this locally...? Really, there is no better glue anywhere in the world; those Swedes knows their business - http://www.casco.eu/global/casco/?pc=95&p=602&series=25 - please let me know if I should send you some tubes!), pull the fabric around the entire frame and tuck it in there? That would leave you with no border framing, just a huge white surface, but in such case you would have enough fabric to both replace the existing one if you would decide to, or also very easily just remove it?

As for having a white surface on the direct back; should not a problem, the integrated black backing eats up most of the light spilled through the fabric (and the little that would return is also absorbed on the way back through that black backing), and we have a number of customers that just attach these frames directly to white walls without any issues so I don´t think it would be a problem.
« Last Edit: Fri September 29, 2017, 03:21:40 AM by lygren »

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« Reply #96 on: Fri September 29, 2017, 03:30:29 AM »
...hmm, come to think of it, attaching the rails on the sides of the frame might not look very good after you rearrange (or remove...;)) the fabric later on... If you have enough fabric available it might also be a consideration to glue the grip rails on the back of the frame somewhere.

We are also making out new black grip rails now (the one you have received are grey), I can have new sets shipped as soon as they are ready. They are available in both 15mm and 25mm widths, the 25mm are for the new "MotoMask" frames and might be better suited to properly rig this big a frame. Still, we have used the 15mm ones (the ones you have) on quite large frames previously too (5m wide 16:9), and they should work fine too though.

Sorry for the OT though, I´m sure we can continue these discussions via e-mail or another thread if you like! :)

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« Reply #97 on: Sun October 01, 2017, 07:07:21 AM »
I have measured and study yesterday how I can install the new V6 screen.

With the new V6 screen in front of my old one and without changing the speaker the minimum distance must be 65cm to the existing screen.
Sad this will decrease the picture size from today 7 meter to 6.7 meter.
But as the new screen will be more close to the viewing position I will have a slightly bigger viewing angle then before and the ratio " viewing distance to screen size" will be going up from today about 1.0 times to 0,94 times.
Perfect to see full 3840 pixels when you watch a true 4k and not 2k to 4K unconverted UHD Disc.

Also lumen will be thanks to the slightly smaller screen good 8% more and this covers about half what the V6 material have less gain compare to my Harkness Hall Matt Preview screen material.

Most people that saw/hear my setup wonder why I never talk much about sound quality and many do not expect this very good sound.
There are some reason for this.
First I am sure the "Picture tells the Story" meaning picture is much more important than sound.
Than I have lost my right hearing 100% almost 10 years ago so I cannot detect anymore where sound comes from.
So if its 1.0 or 7.2 for me it makes not any difference "for me".
I say as a joke 1 speaker in the back for me is the same as a 7 or more channel system.
But I still can hear if sound is good or bad.
So when everything runs well with this new screen I can put my 3 front speaker in a much much better position and this will dramatically increase the sound quality as now my 3 front speaker are in the worst place you can put them.
I have to do it otherwise the speakers are in the picture.

Here a measurement that show how the V6 Material act when “my speakers” are behind.
Turquoise no screen material the other colors show 1/5/10/15 and 20 cm distance to the screen.
The more reflection the more distance.
Very nice the screen material was very stable how I use it at around up from 80Hz and the decrease is only 2 to 3 db!
Ideal distance is till to 10cm and I plan about 5 cm if this works.
« Last Edit: Sun October 01, 2017, 07:08:19 AM by w.mayer »

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« Reply #98 on: Tue October 03, 2017, 03:03:09 PM »
I watch today "Guardians of the Galaxy 2" in 3D Blue Ray.

A fun movie with a good 3D Picture even if some sequences like the opening show too much 3D in faraway objects that was not really how we see in reality.
But all other was very nice good colors very very clean with no visible noise at all.
Picture sharpness and detail varies a bit it was not the whole movie at the same high level but nothing to complain the disc was one of the very good 3D BDs.
A Reference 3D Disc together with Star Trek Into Darkness.

If the quality from a 3D BD is good like this one I will buy in future only the 3D BD.
The 3D Version even if it is only Rec. 709 color and only 2K and no HDR looks to me better overall compare to some may only 2k to 4k upcon UHD Disc that have only slightly better color and HDR that many Projectors not can make good visible.

When I read in other forums looks like it is not only me that see it this way.
Most of the People that had a LG 4K OLED that can do 3D (till 2016 Models) agree with me as well.

Since last Software update from Barco it looks like there was some HDMI Handshake problems there.
Some time when I playback a Movie like for sample today a 3D BD and change the Disc at my Oppo UHD Player to a UHD Disc no picture was displayed.
Hit the bottom Resolution at the RC and change there between Auto and the other Settings brings the Picture back.
Let’s see what cause this but as I not have change any other thing it is likely that the Barco do this with the latest Software.
I have never ever see this before and I was using the Pr. a lot since long time.

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« Reply #99 on: Tue October 03, 2017, 07:34:06 PM »
Since today I have only hear about it but today I saw it with my own eyes and this push me to take my  Canon 50 MP camera together with one of the best lens on the market and take pictures from it.

I talk about the UHD 4K Disc Oblivion that many people told me that the BD show "more" details than the UHD Version!
I doubt it as I can only confirm from he past that most 2K to 4K upcon UHDs are show same Details as BD but never less.
But take a look at both pictures!
Copy them in full 4K to a Folder and compare it with a 4K Monitor in 1:1 Pixel and you will see yourself.
Please note that the Picture Preview not show at all any difference as resolution is to low!
So you have to compare the full resolution picture.

Pictures was taken in over 8K from the Screen and downconvert to 4K.
A bit sad it show some moire effect but ignore it that bug was sometimes there when the Camera is in to good focus.
Better move your attention to how much less details are visible with the UHD Version!

My Barco Thor had not any processing at all inside and the Oppo UHD Player was output the Signal as
"Source direct".
Camera had for both pictures fix settings.


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Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
Re: Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
« Reply #100 on: Wed October 04, 2017, 05:09:45 PM »
I did tonight a compare and short Review from the first Dolby Vision UHD Disc "Transformers The last Knight"

First I try my 77" LG OLED the 2016 one the “only ever produced model” with 3D and Dolby Vision both together!

First it not plays back DV the LG never say at the Info Box that it get DV as he should.
Then I bypass the Denon Receiver and goes direct from the Oppo UHD Player into the LG and bingo this works.
After some basic adjustments I did in the LG ( switch motion compensation and all the stupid filters to of and decrease detail to 0 ) the picture I see was outstanding!
HDR was "big big visible" color rich and brilliant and cr. well black is real black what a wonderful picture no bug just perfect.

I was very excited to see this disc at my big screen down with the Barco Thor and I expect a less good picture but the Barco Thor surprise me here.
Even if I playback just the 4K UHD HDR Rec. 2020 basic core of this disc first surprise was the color.
The Barco looks may even a bit better than the OLED!
The reason was that the LG OLED can do about 95% of the DCI color space the Barco Thor can do 100% and even more.
It was good visible as the Barco can do a perfect very deep Red so color wise the Barco was a bit better than the OLED what a surprise.

On Off cr. well off course the OLED is better no question.
ANSI cr. I am sure the Barco Thor and the OLED are very similar.
But my new V6 screen is waiting…..

But overall even the 77" was only a big TV the 7 Meter screen was Cinema not TV.
A huge difference.
All in all the Picture this disc have is a good Reference Material in the same league as Lucy UHD Disc either in Dolby Vision or at the basic UHD HDR Core.

I do not think we will see anytime soon a Pr. that can do full Dolby Vision Specs but I am sure DV is today the best Source Material when the Disc is really good made.
May in future LED Walls can do full Dolby Vision and this will be looking perfect.
I have not any doubt that Dolby Vision is the best possible Source Material we can get today and it is a bit sad that we have no Projectors for this format anytime soon.
But I can still dream about a giant LED Wall or Wall Paper OLED to seeing this picture quality hopefully in 3D as well.

« Last Edit: Thu October 05, 2017, 04:09:08 PM by w.mayer »

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Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
Re: Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
« Reply #101 on: Tue October 10, 2017, 06:38:56 AM »
About the Oblivion compare UHD Version BD Version.

As 2 people report to me that they can not see any big difference in the 2 pictures I must clear up something.
I really wonder why they not see this differences till I found out that both compare the preview picture from it and not the full resolution full 4k version I have post.
So please download both pictures in full 3840 resolution and put them in a folder and compare it in 1:1 pixel without any scaling with a 4K Monitor or TV.
Then you see it not with the picture preview.


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Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
Re: Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
« Reply #102 on: Thu October 26, 2017, 05:37:15 AM »
I recommend all to read this here:
http://dci-forum.com/video-walls/23/direct-led-walls-really-good/2364/
3 post from top.

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Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
Re: Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
« Reply #103 on: Sun October 29, 2017, 06:16:53 AM »
Blade Runner was a very special movie for me.

Good 30 years ago I saw it at a big cinema in Munich with the second biggest screen in Germany this time in 70mm and it was one of the last movies I saw in 70mm till today.
I was happy to hear this movie comes to UHD Disc.
I can’t wait till I got this Disc and final yesterday I try it short first time on my 77" LG 4K OLED.
I had hear positive reports about the picture quality and as this disc is one of the rare Warner true 4K Disc I hope for a good picture quality even know that the movie was only shot in 35mm but some parts that show the city was shot in true 70mm.
From the beginning on you can see a good picture that show in some seq. a lot of noise.
Luckily Warner “NOT” filter this out as it was in the film and it have to be there and visible as otherwise with filtering create other picture bugs.
Over all this movie was better than ever before.
A lot more details and a much better color.
At 7:10 when the this picture comes for about 4 to 6 sec. you can see going at the head from the right person up about 45° to the upper left an area that show in the noise some banding.
Hard to capture it in a picture but I suggest to let run a AB Repeat sequence from 7:10 to 7:16.
I use the LG OLED for this picture.
So I take the Disc and go down to the Barco Thor and play it back there.
And what a nice surprise even I use there the same Opppo UHD Player with the same settings this banding was gone you just can see the noise there.

This is one more time after Maze Runner 1 and Arrival UHD Disc one more a sample where the Thor show not any banding but other Displays or Projectors show it.
So I can say that the Barco Thor without any filtering show not any visible Banding compare to other Displays or Projectors.



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Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
Re: Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
« Reply #104 on: Mon October 30, 2017, 06:53:32 PM »
We watched today the "whole" Transformers The Last Knight with the Barco Thor.

Movie had a lot of bum bum for but the Picture Quality was very very good.
I post already that it was a good Reference Quality but that time I have not watch the whole movie only parts of it.
Now as seeing the it complete I must say that it was likely the best picture UHD Disc quality I have seen so far.
I wish more UHD Disc have such a Quality or near this Quality.
I recommend to buy this disc if you have a good quality setup to see what is possible with a top UHD Disc.
« Last Edit: Sat November 04, 2017, 11:29:16 AM by w.mayer »


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