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Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #35 on: Sun April 16, 2017, 07:32:33 AM »
Here are a good news from the new Alchemy.

At post number 21 you can see the pictures I have post about the banding the Barco show with Arrival UHD with “this specially way to feed at this time
UHD HDR Material” with the Lumagen and the Striper to the Barco Laser Projector.

Also the 77” 1016 OLED show this banding!

Now with the new Alchemy it is the first time where I see that this banding are 99% gone.
I think it’s very near to invisible and may you can see in the picture still a bit but this comes from the picture making as this pictures is the bottle neck.

Compare this "close up" picture to the one in Post number 21 and you will see the difference!
Please also note that Barco not do this with any filtering normally LCOS Pr. have inside to make this bandings less visible.
This filtering cost details and just to have some few min. with difficult sequence’s banding less visible the disadvantage is that 
99.9% of the movie time you have less details visible.


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« Reply #36 on: Fri April 21, 2017, 07:13:36 AM »
Some Updates.

I found some bugs with the new Alchemy Input but Barco is already working on it.
Some of them are already solved and I think it will not take much time that  Barco fix the rest as well.

I found yesterday night a nice surprise.
As you may know the Barco Thor lose more light during the contrast upgrade from 3000:1 to over 6000:1 than original was calculated (33%).
But the real lost was 46% and that was not a problem for 2D as there I never go over 70% of the laser power but for 3D in scope I have only about 18 FTL coming to my eye.
You will now say wow this is bright but I was use to a bright 3D Image since long time and I always wish to show 3D not below 20 FTL.
One option to increase the brightness was for scope 3D movies ( for flat 3D movies I have enough light) to use the ISCO Anamorphic 1.25 Lens the “by far best Anamorphic Lens in the world”.

The problem was that I hear from Barco that it will be not possible to stretch in the Barco Projector the Scope Format in picture high so much that I can use this Lens.
Yesterday I found a settings that works with it and a first short test show a perfect 3D BD Picture with about 23% increase of Brightness!

The Picture show beside a little distortion that is almost invisible in a running movie not any negative aspect but the increase in lumen from around 18 FTL to over 22 FTL is a big advantage for me!

This is a very nice step up in 3D Brightness that I will use from now on for all Scope 3D BDs.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #37 on: Thu April 27, 2017, 06:57:04 PM »
I install today a new 65” OLED that I use as a Reference Monitor in my home cinema.

This replace the 4K LG OLED 2015 Model with the 2016 Model.

The new one have more brightness and can display almost 100 % DCI Color compare to the old one.
In Red you can see that easy.
The last and best ever build 3D model and the only that can do also Dolby Vison.

Very sad that LG stops all OLED that can do 3D as they are by far the best 3D Displays ever made.
What a shame!!!

Likely tomorrow I will get a new Software for my Barco Projector and an update for the new Alchemy as well.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #38 on: Fri April 28, 2017, 03:18:23 PM »
I got today new Alchemy Software that solve some bugs I had found.

Now it is possible to scale  a UHD HDR Rec 2020 Signal at Scope 3840x1640 to the full panel without any bugs.
In theory it should be possible to now scale it even vertically so big that you can use the Isco 1.25 Anamorphic lens but with the lumen the Barco Thor have for 2D there is really no need to do it !

But this high brightness offers you a luxury way to project HDR.
My older Projector had only with a Isco 1.25 Anamorphic lens (see picture in the second last post) at full light out in 2D 20 FTL on the screen.
Now with the Barco Thor I can go up to over 40 FTL at the full 7 meter in scope (without the Anamorphic Lens) and
with this lumen you can use much higher NIT Adjustment in other words you can see “MORE HDR”!
For sample in the past I often use 300 nit clipping as this is the only way that the Picture was bright enough.
Now I can use 500 nit clipping and even more like 600 and 700 nit and I still can see a brighter image compare to before with a lot more HDR Effect visible in the picture.
Even at 1000 nit it is possible to watch what a nice HDR Picture!
The world record near 1000:1 Ansi Cr. further enhance this!

Barco told me that they will have soon a function that automatic adjust the Nit depends on screen size and the individual UHD Disc how it was mastered.
Most UHD Disc was mastered for 1000 nits some for 2000 nit and most Sony UHD Disc are use 4000 nits.
So this new function will be adjust to the individual Disc and how they was mastered and how big the screen was.
On top of this you can manually adjust it if you like it brighter or more HDR visible just about how you like it most.

So this is for ALL the perfect solution as this allows the people that are not so technical to drive it in Auto HDR Mode that will show all the time a good HDR picture and for those that like to adjust it manually this is also possible.
So for both sides the best from the best VERY NICE !

There are some more minor issues that Barco is working on but I was very sure that most will be solve till Barco will ship the first new Alchemy’s to the first customers in the coming weeks.

The way I playback in the past 4K UHD Disc with the Lumagen was a very good temporary solution and I have enjoyed this for over a half year.
I saw a lot of good movies in a very good picture quality.

But now I can say that UHD HDR Rec.2020 4K Disc feed from my Oppo BD Player feed direct via HDMI cable to the new Alchemy HDMI 2.0 Input looks perfect.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #39 on: Mon May 01, 2017, 05:09:56 AM »
One of the issues with the new Alchemy Input was that I cannot playback Video Content that my Sony AX1 Cam record in 4K.

Since over 3 years I have this camera I not have seen the content I record (private home movies from family) as I like to watch it when I have the right Projector for.
I select 3840x2160 at 60p and the Cam record in 8bit and 4:2:0.

Now I was very excited as I know with the new Alchemy it should be possible.

But then the big disappointment.
The Barco so far cannot display 4K 60p content with 8 bit 4:2:0 it must be 4:2:2!
Barco will add 4:2:0 support later but today it not works.
All other 4K Consumer Projectors have 4:2:0 support so Barco need it as well as there are beside many other 4K Video Cams more sources with this format like 4K STB.
But then a nice surprise.
I try one MP4 file the Sony Cam record copy it to a USB Stick and the new Oppo UHD Player plays it perfect !
The Panasonic UHD Player cannot playback it as there is even with the latest Software always a stutter visible.
Not so with the Oppo UHD Player it plays this content fine.

Picture looks outstanding good and even if it was only 8bit and no HDR it was almost better than anything else I have seen on UHD!
Only few UHD Disc like “Lucy” or the first 4K 60p Movie Billy Lynns “Long Haftime Walk” are coming close to the material the Sony AX1 can show at least when the content was record under good light condition.
It was a huge surprise how good this material was displayed and a nice temporary solution to playback 4K 60P 8bit 4:2:0 content till Barco Thor will have 4:2:0 support.

Looks like the source quality are the Bottle neck if you have the Barco Thor!

Offline donaldk

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« Reply #40 on: Mon May 01, 2017, 07:44:39 AM »
Indeed Wolfgang Broadcast (including Satellite, Cable) will be 4:2:0 even when 10 bit for HDR. The first chip generation from ViXS did support 4:2:2, I was told, but that meant it could provide 4:2:2 output, upsampled from 4:2:0. Even from contribution/primary distribution clients the representative did not see demand for HEVC 10 bit 4:2:2. So even in the primary market of cinema's 4:2:0 support would be essential for 'Alternative Content'.
« Last Edit: Mon May 01, 2017, 08:13:58 AM by donaldk »

Offline dirk goetze

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« Reply #41 on: Tue May 02, 2017, 10:01:52 AM »
Hello Wolfgang,

very good news at all!

Maybe the hd fury linker can be solve the problem with the camera and convert the signal.
I'm not shure, but you should give it try. Just an idea

best dirk

Offline donaldk

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« Reply #42 on: Tue May 02, 2017, 10:16:49 AM »
Great suggestion, according to hdfury this has been tested and should work: Input: 4K50/60 YCC 4:2:0 8b 300MHz   Output: 4K50/60 RGB/YCC 4:4:4/YCC 4:2:2 8b 600MHz.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #43 on: Tue May 02, 2017, 07:11:53 PM »
Yes Donald Barco should add this as soon as possible.

Dirk
Thanks for the good Info.
I have one so I can test it if it’s working.
But almost nicer was to playback the files from the Oppo UHD Player as there you can easy select a file and have full control over playback with all functions from the Oppo UHD Player.
This makes it even more nice and easy to playback the content as compare direct from the Sony 4K Cam HDMI out.

But a Projector in this price range should playback 4:2:0 Signals as ever other sub 2000 Euro Projector can do it no question.

Last weekend my Crestron System was build up to drive the whole Cinema include the
Barco Thor Projector and the nice thing was all runs well not any problem at all.

So from now on my family can even if I was not at home or not like to watch a movie enjoy this top home cinema as beside me in the past no one knows how to operate this complex system.
Now hit 3 bottoms and put a disc into the Oppo UHD Player they can watch a movie and with press 2 bottoms the can drive all down.
But not only my family like it .... I like it as well  :)!

It was so very sad that I cannot use the Kaleidescape Player System
as we watch a lot of 3D BDs and this System cannot handle 3D BDs at all.
Very very sad as this playback solution will be nice to have.

Just comes up from the Cinema and test further updates from the new Alchemy.
Good progress but it gets too late I need a bed so I will report about the stage in the next post.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #44 on: Fri May 05, 2017, 07:07:36 PM »
So this is the Status of the Barco Thor Projector with the new Alchemy Input board on 5th  May 2017.

-2D BDs : no problem at all
-3D BDs : no problem at all
-Full HD STB : no problem at all
-4K STB : likely no problem but I have to check when I get the STB back.
-DCI Content 2K 4K 2D and 2K 3D and 2K 3D HFR: no problem at all (but I have test it just briefly)

-UHD Disc 4K HDR Rec 2020 24P and 60P:
In general no problem picture looks very good.
Some issues are there:
-So far there was the Nit setting that I have always to set new to about 500 nits as Projector so far cannot safe this setting. Barco told me this will be solve next week.
-Gamma was at this time not adjustable.
It looks a bit too dark compare to my new 4K LG OLED Reference Monitor but I have so far not any possibility to change this as the Post Software that was "very nice to use" so far not working with the UHD Format and the new Alchemy together.
Most Picture Parameters I can adjust in the Oppo UHD Player but not Gamma!
So most important for me was to adjust this Gamma to the right level as near black parts tend to clip in the 1-5% IRE range.
I hope Barco will offer at least Gamma adjustment soon and the rest from Post Software not so much later.
Having this Post Software ready for the Barco Thor and all formats is a big sales point as no other competitor have such a system!

-3D 4K my own private pictures:
Barco create a Software that should playback with a special computer this pictures.
Believe it or not I have till today not test this so I cannot tell finally if it works!
I know this sounds a bit strange but first I like to have everything else are working perfect before I will test this “cream cover”!
I got some weeks ago a DCI File in 4K 3D and it contains some of my best 4K 3D Pictures I did in the last years see also Post number 19.
So I know already how this 4K 3D Pictures looks and they looks unbelievable better than anything else I have seen so far in my live.
Way better than the best UHD Disc and better than any 4K DCI Movie I have seen so far.

There was a general Problem to feed UHD 4K 24P and 60P content via an 18 Meter long Optical HDMI Cable.
Looks like there is not any fast way that this cable are working with the new Alchemy HDMI 2.0 Input.
Barco told me that the cable works not 100% right to the specification but looks like only the Barco HDMI 2.0 Inputs have a problem with it as many other Projectors and other Displays have not any problem with it.
So if you need a longer than 8 Meter cable from source to the Projector that can do the full 18 GB for the only so far available UHD Disc from Billy Linns Haftime walk and other upcoming titles
you need a very good coper cable with repeaters.

So all in all the Barco Thor with the new Alchemy is almost ready for prime time.
A normally user will not have any problems to playback all the content from different sources that we have today.
When you order now this Projector and count the delivery time Barco should have by then solved all this issues.

My headline ask if the Barco Thor is the best Projector in the world?
The answer is a clear yes.
The Barco Thor is very expensive but for those that can afford it they should know that they get the best Projector money can buy today.



Offline MrPixels

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« Reply #45 on: Sat May 06, 2017, 09:55:56 AM »
Nice to see Barcos speedy response time addressing the needed updates on a early product launch. It is obvious Mayers contribution is appreciated by Barco. Great teamwork and fun watching the product come together.
Thumbs up to Barco for being the first to deliver HDMI 2.0 for alternative content in a cinema product.
« Last Edit: Sat May 06, 2017, 09:59:11 AM by MrPixels »

Offline MrPixels

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« Reply #46 on: Sat May 06, 2017, 01:39:18 PM »
Nice to see Barcos speedy response time addressing the needed updates on a early product launch. It is obvious Mayers contribution is appreciated by Barco. Great teamwork and fun watching the product come together.
Thumbs up to Barco for being the first to deliver HDMI 2.0 for alternative content in a cinema product.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #47 on: Sat May 06, 2017, 06:41:22 PM »
Tonight I found that the reported gamma adjustment was "only" for HDR UHD Material missing.

For full HD STB Broadcast as well 2D BD and 3D BD there was a new gamma adjustment that comes with the Software update from yesterday and this works perfect.
So even if you not have the Post Software on you can now adjust Gamma.

This is can be very helpfull as you can now select the value that fit to your projection room how dark it is and how you like it.
So only for HDR sources UHD this is still missing.
« Last Edit: Sat May 06, 2017, 06:42:55 PM by w.mayer »

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #48 on: Sat May 13, 2017, 04:20:38 PM »
I have test the last few days 3 different 4K Video Cams with the Barco Thor Projector.

The 3.5 year old Sony AX1 the first Consumer 4K Cam that can record 4K at 60P.
The new Panasonic GH5 the first Picture Camera that can record 4K at 60P that just arrive some weeks ago.
And the big new Professional Sony FS7II that can also record 4K 60 in DCI Format and almost Rec. 2020 color with many other formats.
See Picture that show the size difference.

It was a big surprise as I have post already how good the picture from the 3.5 years old Sony AX1 perform with the Barco Thor Projector.
95% of the UHD Disc are show a less good picture than this old 4K Cam!

Now the new Panasonic GH5 beats picture quality wise the Sony AX1 as the GH5 have an almost 8 times bigger sensor (16:9 area) and there are almost 4 years between this cameras!

A surprise was that the big Sony Professional PXW FS7II perform not better than the GH5 in “how I use it”!
You must know that I cannot playback any of the formats that this camera record with the Oppo UHD Player like with the Sony AX1 MP4 files and the GH5 MP4 Files.

I can only use the HDMI Output from the Sony FS7II  that output 4K at 60 in likely 4:2:0  8 bit.
But this shows a very similar picture to the GH5 and beside handling for sample AF that works not very nice with the GH5 and Zoom (the GH5 have not any electrical zoom at all) the FS7II not show any advantage as how I can use them!
And all this is without talking about the weight price and sizes difference this 2 cameras have!
For sure the Sony FS7II will perform very good when you use this camera as they normally user use it to record in DCI and going to the post production and create a DCI Content with it.
But in my case I do not like to do this.
I prefer an easy playback solution and the Panasonic GH5 give me this see picture number 2.
Just plug the SD Card via a USB SD Card Reader to the Oppo UHD Player and playback the MP4 Files in 4K 60P 4:2:0 at about 150MB.

This give you a picture that beats 98% of all 4K UHD Disc!
And even more if you not need to record in 4K 60P and 30P is enough for you the camera can record AND store it in 4:2:2 10 bit at the SD Card!
I hear that it should be also possible to record the HDMI Output in 4K 60P in 4:2:2 in 10 bit via a separate recorder but I will not do it as the Oppo cannot playback such recordings.

The Leica Lens 12-60mm that comes together with the GH5 (full frame sensor 24-120mm) perform outstanding and the price for a lens like this if often more expensive than this whole
GH5 with the Leica Lens together!
I play 2600 Euro and that’s very cheap for what you get for it.


Record now with the Panasonic GH5 your kids growing or some other important moments as you can capture it easy cheap in an outstanding picture quality that 95% of all Hollywood UHD Disc so far not have.
Times is running fast do it now as this time will never come back.

So the Panasonic GH5 is an absolute insider tip to shot very high quality 4K 60P content and on top it shot also nice pictures.
« Last Edit: Sat May 13, 2017, 04:25:06 PM by w.mayer »

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #49 on: Tue May 16, 2017, 01:50:54 PM »
The issue I report about the 18 meter long optical HDMI Cable that are not working with the Barco Thor Projector when you feed 4K UHD is not a Barco issue.

The manufacturer of the cable confirm today that they will upgrade this cable later this year.
Why this cable are working with other 4K Projectors was not 100% clear for me but good news was it was not the Barco that is wrong.

I try to find out if there is only both end pieces that have to be changed as they contains the electronic.
The fiber cable is already be laid to the walls and tubes and it will be a easy thing to just change the end pieces.


Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #50 on: Fri June 02, 2017, 12:35:00 PM »
I got Info from Barco that I will get a new Software that contains some of the HDR Adjustments and also very likely parts or the full Auto HDR functions in 2 to 3 weeks from now.

Later today I will show this Projector to a Cinema Owner from US.
Lets see what he will say.....

Offline MrPixels

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« Reply #51 on: Fri June 02, 2017, 12:50:16 PM »

Sounds like a fun day, I am sure they will like what they see :)

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #52 on: Tue June 06, 2017, 04:14:35 PM »
Ray Hallett and his wife our good best friend from US just leave us today after they are joining a private event we had here in Germany over the last few days.

He is one of the very few Cinema Owners I know worldwide that “really” taking care about picture and sound quality in his cinemas and he is very technically.
http://www.hallettcinemas.com/
He told me that he had with his 57 Barco DLP Projectors that he have since over 5 years (15 double Stack 3D Setups) not one single issue with one of the Barco Projectors!

We saw 3 movies during his stay.
Two older 2D BD Movies in HD and 1 UHD Title in 4K HDR Rec. 2020 call "Lucy".

Both normally BDs in HD looks thanks to the high cr. (ansi cr. and on off cr.) and the sharp optic the Barco Thor Projector have very good.

Top was the movie "Lucy" in 4K UHD with HDR and Rec. 2020.
That looks like looking out to a glass window he told me after!

Last was the 10 still pictures in 4K 3D.
This pictures looks to him unbelievable.

I was glad that I can show him this finish setup finally as he was last June 2016 here with us but this time I just find out some days before that we can’t bring the Projector down the stairs and therefore we cannot setup the Projector at all.

But good was that he saw the final version with the high ansi cr. and the high on off cr. together with the new Alchemy input module and the latest Software.

Offline donaldk

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« Reply #53 on: Wed June 07, 2017, 09:19:25 AM »
Is he considering upgrading one of his screens with an Barco HC DCi projector, now he has seen your Thor?

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #54 on: Thu June 08, 2017, 05:42:05 AM »
For sure he will consider how he can improve picture quality in the future but this is nothing that will be discuss public I think.

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« Reply #55 on: Thu June 08, 2017, 09:45:16 AM »
Just wondering if commercial operators see sense in going with the premium HC projectors. For commercial operators commercial reasons drive decisions, not just the pure image and sound quality. The theater section, where one would expect the story on the capabilities and features, equipment used for each theater to be told, on his company's website, is still empty. So I have no clue what kind of Barco's he using at the moment. I am sure it is (way) better than average, looks like a small chain with an interested owner/operator, that cares for the exhibition quality. Taking the time and exerting the effort to go visit the state of the art demo, alone is proof of that.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #56 on: Mon June 12, 2017, 03:31:31 PM »
I got new Thor Alchemy Plus Software today.

With it it is now possible to playback 4K 60P content in "4:2:0" that was before not possible at all.
So all consumer 4K 60P Cams like the Sony AX1 or the new Panasonic GH5 can playback the content now direct from the camera by using there internal 4K 60P HDMI output.

Next Software will be likely to add some functions about to adjust near black level in 4K HDR content and
also for all other content.

Not sure Art will see this when he visit me next week as this will likely need some days more but lets see.

Offline donaldk

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« Reply #57 on: Mon June 12, 2017, 05:41:45 PM »
Wolfgang what 4K 'broadcast' sources do you have? You mentioned Sky Deutschland, any of the other (demo) channels on satellite, or cable? Is Sky offering only doing a number of Bundes Liga matches in 4K or has it started broadcasting movies and series in 4K, by now? Last year it said it would expands its offering this year, but I have no insight to current schedule. As broadcast and streaming sources are all 4:2:0.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #58 on: Tue June 13, 2017, 03:56:00 AM »
Sky Satellite.

Yes main event was one time a week a Bundesliga soccer game + some Champions League games.
Most looks very nice with a big quality plus compare to there bad HD broadcast.
But I prefer to see movies on UHD 4K Disc so I not use Sky 4K many times.
So far I know all is in 4:2:0.
Since it was now easy to watch direct from the hdmi out from my cameras 4k 60p I will do this more often.
150MB 4K 60P content even if it was only in Rec. 709 looks very nice and as i say often better than a medium good 4K UHD Disc!

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #59 on: Thu June 22, 2017, 05:36:04 PM »
Good News!

There was not any HDMI Cable longer than 10 Meter that works with UHD 4K Disc in HDR Rec.2020 24P AND 60P.

I have try in the past a fiber wire cable 18 meters but it not works together with the Barco Thor and the new Alchemy Plus.

Now I found a new one 30 meters long with no USB Power supply at both ends only the normally HDMI Connector and it works without any problems even with 4K UHD Disc in HDR Rec.2020 in 24 AND 60P!

This 30 meters should cover 99.99% of all setups and looks like a perfect solution.

I will test this cable after Art was here with his Family a bit more in details over the next days and if this test runs well I will post here the details of this cable.


Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #60 on: Fri June 23, 2017, 02:20:12 PM »
I have test some more time this cable and it was
not show any problem with any material I feed with it till UHD 4K HDR Rec. 2020 at 60P!

The cable calls:
"BD Trade hybrid HDMI cable 18G"

It will be available from 7,5 to 50 Meters! (25 to 165 feet) in future may even longer.

I know 3 Companys in Germany where you can order it.
If someone is Interessent in it here are the 3 Companys with there mail Address:
Heimkino Klohs: info@heimkinoklohs.de
Heimkinoraum group: info@heimkinoraum.de
Grobi: info@grobi.tv

But I have to warn you.
Even with this good HDMI Cable "Arrival" UHD 4K Disc will look still very bad picture quality wise  :) but the movie itself is a good movie!

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #61 on: Wed June 28, 2017, 06:07:39 AM »
Uwe did my Thor have a sister or brother now in Germany?

Offline dirk goetze

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Re: Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
« Reply #62 on: Wed June 28, 2017, 10:53:06 AM »
Loki there are you ?

p.s. sorry Wolfgang i could not resist

Offline w.mayer

Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
Re: Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
« Reply #63 on: Wed June 28, 2017, 12:24:52 PM »
No I not mean this smaller Barco one I mean a 2th Thor Projector.

Offline dirk goetze

Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
Re: Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
« Reply #64 on: Fri June 30, 2017, 07:44:29 AM »
Sorry it was just a joke from movie geek, that doesn't what a "smaller" Loki even exisist

Offline donaldk

Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
Re: Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
« Reply #65 on: Fri June 30, 2017, 04:35:21 PM »
Wolfgang have you seen the higher resolution photospectrometer in action yet? Does its use improve the image quality compared to calibration with the default photospectrometer?

Offline w.mayer

Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
Re: Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
« Reply #66 on: Sun July 02, 2017, 04:32:03 AM »
I think the difference "in practice" what we human can see between adjust a Projector using a low resolution photo spectrometer and a high resolution photo spectrometer is invisible for a human eye.
My shot view is : In theory better but not visible.

I compare it to kelvin.
There are maybe 10 people in the world that can tell for sure a difference between 50 kelvin up and down.
Now you have an instrument that can tell you 5 kelvin up and down....
That is way below what a normally viewer can detect it is invisible.

May the public what closes they are wearing in what color is more important than this.

But if you have it use it it will be for sure not show any negative things but I doubt that you can see a difference between low and high resolution photo spectrometer so there is no must.

May someday I will get someone come and have one with him and do a calibration with it.
Then I will have 2 color files and can switch between them and then I can rate.
But even if I can see a slight difference in color may my taste tells me use this or this one……
Manufacturer of such high resolution photo spectrometer will see this likely a bit different :).

There are a thousand of other more important things why the Barco Thor show a so good picture and blow everything else away you can buy with money today.

BTW I  change my screen!
I will try the new superlarge V6 Material Screen Material that final arrive at the manufacturer.
Hope it not show any bugs and hope it was the same as before when I have test a 4 meter version that it kills 90% of the speckle and improve cr.
May I will do it in front of my existing one not sure jet.

Offline Kaaga

Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
Re: Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
« Reply #67 on: Tue July 04, 2017, 04:30:12 PM »
Is there any chance in the future that Barco will start to  support Dolby Vision through firmware update? 
Do You have Despicable me 1-2 UHD or Power Rangers UHD  disk to test it with your  LG OLED- TV-s and then with Barco...
It would be interesting to hear your opinion about  Dolby Vision and quality comparison with HDR10.
« Last Edit: Tue July 04, 2017, 04:39:24 PM by Kaaga »

Offline w.mayer

Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
Re: Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
« Reply #68 on: Wed July 05, 2017, 01:26:48 PM »
Kaaga welcome to this forum!

“Is there any chance in the future that Barco will start to  support Dolby Vision through firmware update? 
Do You have Despicable me 1-2 UHD or Power Rangers UHD  disk to test it with your  LG OLED- TV-s and then with Barco...
It would be interesting to hear your opinion about  Dolby Vision and quality comparison with HDR10.”

I do not think Dolby Vision will be Supported with the Barco Thor at least not any day soon.
What likely will Supported is the HDR + that Samsung and Netflix possible or hopefully other will use soon.
They do also HDR adaptive …..Sequences by Sequences  so not like the standard HDR one Setting for HDR for the whole movie that was a bad idea from the beginning in my view!
So this HDR+ may will also come to the Thor Pr. some day.

About your last question that is not easy to answer.
There are so many issues that made a UHD Disc looks good.
HDR is just one of them.
There are many UHD Disc with a 2K Master that not looks any better or if only a little than the BD 2K Version.
For Projectors HDR is very difficult to show with today’s technic.
Some weeks ago a VIP Person from Cinema visit me after we know each other for over 10 years!
He say that he saw the best HDR Demo ever after I demo him Lucy from UHD Disc in HDR from the Barco Thor.
He say that was a very nice HDR that the Barco Thor can do likely the best he ever saw.
I hope the studios will adopt soon a HDR that are based not only on one Setting for HDR for the whole movie it need to be adaptive sequence by sequence.
If this is Dolby or something else it make not a hug difference for me but Dolby have beside this HDR also
12 Bit and other more improved specification that are not bad.
If Dolby Vision will be widely adopted will be a good question but HDR+ is a very welcome thing that I hope will comes soon.
As I say I think I have hear something that Barco will supported this in the near future with a Software update but as this Standard is not jet final it will be take some time.

Offline w.mayer

Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
Re: Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
« Reply #69 on: Mon July 10, 2017, 04:35:08 PM »
Just for fun some real screenshots from one of my favorite older movies
 
"2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY"

Sad the 2K BD version was not very top in Picture Quality even this movie was one of the very rare
true 70mm Productions.

I hope for a 4K UHD HDR Release that looks better.

Please note the pictures are made in 4K but the source was a 2k BD that was not so good.


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