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Offline Peter CINERAMAX

TRITON THE FIRST MOON OF NEPTUNE
TRITON THE FIRST MOON OF NEPTUNE
« on: Tue December 23, 2014, 03:30:44 AM »
Moons of Neptune are TO BE existing famous installations where we may have supplied one brand of components , kaleidescape, teranex, Barco, Ada, and other , Typical Do It Your self cinema aficionados where we contributed something useful we hope..

ENTER ATMOS, QUESTED, and Trinnov 3D remapping.

The rave reviews from super-perfectionist Dr. Jeff is now resonating with chatter in the UK forums and as far as Malasya and Thailand, the message is clear, even the most modest of the Quested speakers are powerhouses  ideal for a 32 channel Trinnov Altitude systems being rolled out as we speak.

So it was kind of a shoe in that an existing 7.1 wisdom 75 with dual wisdom monster subs be augmented with the hot commodity RIBBON speakers in the 3d sound era.

The owner must have read this forum because he seems to trust the atmos/trinnov/quested approach pioneered in Russia's ALBIORIX. And hammered down with Brett Crocket and his backroom labrats. ;D The system should also do Auro/DTS ULTRA perfectly as well.

At Cineramax we want a screen that is either wall to wall floor to ceiling or both, TRITON is BOTH a 21 foot wide cinemascope no less.


Linkback: http://dci-forum.com/d-cinema-hi-end-cinema-home/11/triton-first-moon-neptune/266/
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Offline Peter CINERAMAX

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Re: TRITON THE FIRST MOON OF NEPTUNE
« Reply #1 on: Tue December 23, 2014, 06:29:03 AM »
Cinema Triton

Lt24
6 heights
6 sides

Lt8iw
6 ceiling

Lt8
4 widths

2 rear 18 subs on channel 17 make wisdom subs 1 channel.

Offline Peter CINERAMAX

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Re: TRITON THE FIRST MOON OF NEPTUNE
« Reply #2 on: Tue December 23, 2014, 01:16:20 PM »
changes were dismissed sticking to all ribbon speakers for homogeneity.
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Offline Peter CINERAMAX

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TRITON THE FIRST MOON OF NEPTUNE a Width Channel Remapping Challenge
« Reply #3 on: Fri December 26, 2014, 12:24:25 AM »
This Statement by Tony Grimani is one where we more than agree, the width channel is crucial:

"Wide speakers, placed at about 60 degrees from center, are arguably more important than the heavily hyped ceiling element. One of the most challenging areas of the sound field to reproduce correctly is the transition from the screen speakers to the sidewall surrounds. All too often, pans jump abruptly from one to the other instead of moving smoothly. Wide speakers address this by adding a physical sound source between the two points rather than relying entirely on phantom imaging. Ceiling speakers (particularly toward the front of the room) perform a similar function in the vertical plane. They create smooth pans from the screen speakers over the audience and eventually to the back wall of surrounds. Thus far, vertical flyovers in mixes are less common than the ubiquitous off-screen side pans; hence the reason I would prioritize width speakers rather than ceiling speakers.

HE ALSO SAID
As with any speaker, placement, coverage, and aiming are critical. Wides should go at an angle that is roughly midway between the left or right speaker and the first surround speaker on the side wall. In most rooms, this will be about +/- 55-60 degrees from front center. If you’re dealing with a narrow room, be careful that this doesn’t put the wides excessively close to the seats. Remember, you don’t want to blast people in the face. Most screen speakers have wide horizontal dispersion, but it never hurts to confirm they are wide enough to cover the entire audience side to side from a closer distance. It should be self-evident by this point, but you must aim the wides at the audience like a screen speaker. Don’t just sink them flush in the wall to fire across the room at each other. This would put the entire audience at an extreme off-axis angle with poor frequency response and spray sound in parts of the room it’s not needed.

The first pair of ceiling speakers should go midway along the lines between the primary listening position and the L/R screen speakers–perhaps slightly closer together. If you opt for a second pair, they should go over the audience the same distance apart as the first pair. The ceiling speakers must also cover the entire audience and avoid spraying sound unnecessarily into places no one is sitting."
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Offline Peter CINERAMAX

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« Reply #4 on: Fri December 26, 2014, 01:26:48 AM »
Here are the existing Left Center Rights and side surrounds that will stay put.

http://www.wisdomaudio.com/pdfs/datasheets/Wisdom_L75_datasheet.pdf

Offline Peter CINERAMAX

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THIS IS NOT CRAZY-IT WILL WORK 100%
« Reply #5 on: Fri December 26, 2014, 03:51:46 AM »
Digest my proposed implementation of 4 different variants of Trinnov Remapping to create the ultimate 3d formats soundfields.Optimized for Atmos, Auro, DtsU and to deal with a beautiful view on one side.of the cinema.

Before you start screaming window theatments they are there. Simply sometimes is more civilized watching a movie with the lights of the city below.

View simulated please no fact checking Donald ;D.

Remapping Variant-1 Robust Width Channels properly positioned-indispensable.

Remapping Variant-2 Variable positioning of the foremost screen height channels
 from behind the screen to forward of the screen to satisfy ATMOS, AURO, and DTS ULTRA requirements.

Remapping Variant-3 Create additional surround speaker locations at surround speaker level floating virtual speakers in front of view.

Remapping Variant-4 For Auro side height speaker angle correction.
 
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Offline Peter CINERAMAX

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pdf for legibility
« Reply #6 on: Fri December 26, 2014, 04:06:15 AM »
pdf for legibility
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Offline Peter CINERAMAX

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Final Updated Behind the screen height and widths
« Reply #7 on: Fri December 26, 2014, 04:36:20 AM »
Accepted as excellent implementation by both Atmos residential and commercial technical departments.
« Last Edit: Fri December 26, 2014, 04:50:18 AM by Peter CINERAMAX »

Offline Peter CINERAMAX

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Re: TRITON THE FIRST MOON OF NEPTUNE
« Reply #8 on: Fri December 26, 2014, 04:51:38 AM »
6 sides, 10 heights, 4 channel for biamped widths plus one rear sub...uhm

Time to look at the 4 surround l75 crossovers to be handled outside altitude.

Offline Peter CINERAMAX

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You may recognize John our engineer pictured above with Brett Crocket from.....
« Reply #9 on: Fri December 26, 2014, 05:31:22 AM »

Offline Peter CINERAMAX

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Re: TRITON FINAL LAYOUT
« Reply #10 on: Mon January 05, 2015, 07:52:09 AM »
FINAL

Offline Peter CINERAMAX

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Re: TRITON FINAL WITH REAR SUBS
« Reply #11 on: Mon January 05, 2015, 08:32:34 AM »
7 CHANNELS BI AMPED TOTAL=14 TRINNOV CHANNELS

FRONT 2 SUBS -ONE CHANNEL 1 TRINNOV CHANNEL
REAR 2 SUBS-ONE CHANNEL 1 TRINNOV CHANNEL

18 LT-24'S 16 CHANNEL TOTAL 32, CHECK!

Offline Peter CINERAMAX

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Re: TRITON THE FIRST MOON OF NEPTUNE HISTORY MADE ON Jan 6
« Reply #12 on: Wed January 07, 2015, 03:11:59 AM »
In an hour long conference call encompassing three time zones The client, Curt Hoyt and I hammered down all the details of this historic full 32 channel implementation AUTOCADS to follow.