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Offline Peter CINERAMAX

THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
« on: Sat September 06, 2014, 02:55:01 PM »
Below link points to several Atmos Studios equipped with Meyer Acheron systems have achievd  PREMIER ATMOS certification rank, through our insight explained below bringing the quested LT series with triinnov  and in decyphering  the current Home Atmos rollout offings we are proud to introduce systems significantly superior to those Meyer based rooms.

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/professional/cinema/industry/content-services/studios-with-premier-studio-certification.html

We now give you HOME ATMOS PREMIER rank courtesy of CINERAMAX.

Linkback: http://dci-forum.com/d-cinema-home/11/offical-home-atmos-premier-thread-hts-hottest-upgrade-opportunity/115/
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Offline Peter CINERAMAX

THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
Re: THE OFFICAL ATMOS PREMIER THREAD-Part 1- The Quested's.
« Reply #1 on: Sat September 06, 2014, 02:56:12 PM »
The  Quested LT' series which have now entered the HT Fray as the result of a 7 year ,6 million dollar 4 (Moons) project, R&D research effort (where the end object was to take transient response, clarity, fidelity and Fatigue minimization to the limit), a trial and error effort where we heard the best sounding track: Despicable Me FUN FUN FUN, traced it to it's scoring suite, went to Hans Zimmer studios first and then upon realizing it only sounded good at 12 feet, commissioned a 22.10 channel megasystem where it would recreate that sound at 19 feet. This is where we discovered this miracle of sound using a trinnov 16 channel processor in 3d remap with overhead sounds capable of recreating a traninwreck's intensity.

Thus in doing above we have TAUGHT Quested about Home Theater at it's maximum scale and are developing next gen specialized speakers to take home theater to the next level: ATMOS PREMIER RANK.

When went to the Dolby Atmos facility gravity premiere we loved the psycho-acoustics and only imagined what it would sound like with the proper reproduction kit, this is the paradigm shift...

Initial home Atmos focus groups that visited the same have noted the deficiencies harshness and brittleness of their audio reproduction chain. Thus reinforcing my initial discovery about the inadequacies of the reproduction chain.

Then Jeff the Bland's Lepetiti Trianon 2.0 became the test bed for the first time in the US.

He has been raving about the sound.This is what he said :

Peter,
Thanks for your advice and recommendation on the Questeds. Super loud, but clear and non fatiguing. Incredible impact. You were absolutely right on all accounts!!

DIRAC really did a super nice job. A slow process as it requires a lot of computing power I learned. I think Carl did 6 or 9 sweeps of all 13 channels.



With Peter as my go between, I found the folks at Quested very responsive. The order was customized to my exact needs - right down to the mounts. They even labeled the amplifiers on the box and with clear labeling on the amplifier itself so I knew which speaker each was powering.

The output on these seems endless and the sound... so sweet. None of the fizz of my old compression drivers.


My predictions from last year have been just proven,let's stop lollygagging, dragging our feet and do these systems RIGHT!!!


« Last Edit: Mon September 08, 2014, 07:38:32 PM by Peter CINERAMAX »

Offline Peter CINERAMAX

THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
Re: THE OFFICAL ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- DCI CENTRAL INTRO DEALS.
« Reply #2 on: Sat September 06, 2014, 02:59:40 PM »
At full list price the world's first 24 channel ATMOS PREMIERE DCI screening room looks like attachment below. During the next 9 months we are going to pre-engineer such systems with incredibly facilitating pricing incentives that will help us help the entire home theatre community in a very meaningful way.

If you think the BOGOHP datasat is an incredible deal, those of you participating in this thread will get the best value of it all. We have the rights to sell all over the world ATMOS PREMIER SYSTEMS and are better prepared with system delivery logistics and support than anyone to do what we do best worldwide. If we can do it in Moscow we can DO IT IN THE MOON.

If you are considering doing atmos at home ask your questions here, save and maximize your system.

We Have TAUGHT Quested about High End Home Cinema and they like this new arena. we are co-developing specialized speakers to take our beloved field to the next level: ATMOS PREMIER RANK.

Call or email me for details night or day I, work all hours.

Peter
305-206-6073
peter@cineramax.com

From $15,000 5.1 QUESTED systems to  $150,000 full blown 32 channel QUESTED ATMOS HOME PREMIER . 
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Offline thxman

THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
Re: THE OFFICAL ATMOS PREMIERE THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
« Reply #3 on: Sat September 06, 2014, 05:54:46 PM »
Can you tell us more about the LT8iS?

Offline Peter CINERAMAX

THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
Re: THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
« Reply #4 on: Sun September 07, 2014, 12:37:35 PM »
Hi Thx welcome here. There are many variants so I have compiled some installation pictures and line drawings. I'll be back tonigh with my post.

Thanks Again!

Offline thxman

THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
Re: THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
« Reply #5 on: Sun September 07, 2014, 02:31:55 PM »
Thank you, I am looking forward to it. :)  And thank you for putting this together. 

Offline Peter CINERAMAX

THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
Re: THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD-Le Trianon Got HT of the Month.
« Reply #6 on: Sun September 07, 2014, 09:07:22 PM »
DAY AFTER CALIBRATION
Originally Posted by CINERAMAX  View Post
Gratuitous cross post:
Field Report from Jeff's calibrations yesterday. Congrats Jeff!

"Success!

I really like AURO-3D. We started working right after lunch and didn't wrap until late, late night early morning. However it was very much worth the effort. We had 6 active subwoofers in that room arranged as 2 x mono with BM. I convinced Mark Seaton to turn off the DSP correction that he usually applies to his subs and he gracefully complied. Dirac did a great job. We measured the results using a TEF measurement system that Mark had brought. We were pleased to discover that the subs were flat to 5Hz in front and flat to 10Hz in back at reference levels. You just don't get better than that!

Those Quested loudspeakers melded well with Mark's subwoofers. The dynamics and detail of the end product was truly outstanding. We listened to several samples from live concert recordings to U571 and War of the Worlds. It was all good. Did I mention that I really like AURO?? Ha, ha ...

Best Regards,
Carl Huff"
Peter,

These were your recommendations. You are a savant! I am so pleased. Worth all the effort! I know why you service the tip top! My system is truly cutting edge now. You really nailed it with the Questeds. We listened well past reference and no fatigue and incredible dynamics and dialog.

Well, Auro is the real deal. I'll have more to say later but the Quested/DATASAT combo is a winner and DTS MA 7.1 / TRUE HD 7.1 simply doesn't it anymore.

We had a very good install last night with Mark Seaton and Carl Huff working 12 hours to dial in the system.

As good as the equipment is, the before and after listening with the two calibrators is what clearly made the difference.

I am so pleased, I'm actually still in disbelief as to to the sound in the room. I can't imagine better - anywhere. What a job those two did. Marks' subwoofers are a true benchmark.


Peter,
Thanks for your advice and recommendation on the Questeds. Super loud, but clear and non fatiguing. Incredible impact. You were absolutely right on all accounts!!

DIRAC really did a super nice job. A slow process as it requires a lot of computing power I learned. I think Carl did 6 or 9 sweeps of all 13 channels.


Jeff's room got HT Of The Month: September 2014.

Well, all is in and am using AURO 3D upmixing for my 13.6 system. The AMT / Ribbons has the sensitivity that rivals compression drivers (and, thus, the output) but an more air and a sweeter tip top. They are fantastic!

The only downside I've encountered is the lack of vertical dispersion. If you stand up or are well above the vertical spread of the AMT, you lose some high frequencies. I rarely stand during movies ... so, small issue for me!


I love the accolades but let's pay attention to what he had to say tonight about the ribbon lt-8's:

Peter the room is terrific! I feel very good about my purchase / investment in Quested. The ribbons have huge, effortless output without the fizz at the tip top. The Auro upmixing is so good, I wonder if Dolby can even improve on it.

The room sounds magnificent and with the low, low noise floor, the dynamic range is really unlike anything I could imagine.

Thanks for the advice and service!


THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.

THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.

THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.

THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.

THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.

« Last Edit: Tue September 09, 2014, 03:23:31 AM by Peter CINERAMAX »

Offline Peter CINERAMAX

THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
Re: THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- the Lt-8 is Ribbon $1,830
« Reply #7 on: Sun September 07, 2014, 09:32:47 PM »
I apologize as I've been short on sleep trying to wrap up orders that need shipping before cedia. So typos galore and I'll have to return to edit redaction but let me get the pictures in and the thoughts down.
THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
Before we delve into the higher power upcoming AMT based lt8-is passive and active suitable for LCR let's look at the Lt8-is with ribbon tweeter. It and the LT-24 sibling seen above are the two most affordable Quested speakers, and for surround (based on my initial impression) they pack a punch, Jeff is just reinforcing that. They play as surround speakers12 feet away to 105db (rated), but in reality it's more. They are a big bang for the buck and may be just the right surround speaker in many room. The amt version is being discussed a) for a compact LCR with a stockier rectangular box and the ltis-8 is a shallow mount to hang on walls or build inside walls and ceilings.With the amt you can gain an additional 7 decibels. It will be 5-6 months before the passive amt version is finalized, the crossover design is deliberate.

Despite the fact that this speaker I characterized as the best surround speaker i ever heard (something Jeff is retransmitting a year later) Curt from Trinnov found out that if you had the tweeter up,  there was a cancellation spot below the speaker, as the speaker was designed for upside down surround wall mount where the dispersion downward dispersion is great. I due to Cut's comments started pressing for a version with more power and even wider dispersion, that is where roger went into amt seek mode. Hes got three different pattern dispersion availables, not enough info there.

In my moscow installation due to the frame of the speaker grille
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Offline Peter CINERAMAX

THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
Re: THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- LT-10S The Surround Bad-Boy
« Reply #8 on: Mon September 08, 2014, 12:40:04 PM »
This one will play 115-120 decibels but being closer to the MLP this is Craken and Godzilla Rank surround speaker.

THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.

Offline Peter CINERAMAX

THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
Re: THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- WHY AMT TRUMPS HORN
« Reply #9 on: Mon September 08, 2014, 01:39:17 PM »
Besides Jeff being tickled pink testimonials with the LT-10's as main center right, look at the AMT advantages as described by the engineer that took the challenge to sound reinforce Royal Albert Hall for classic instruments & voice and licked it!

"According to Kinsella, it goes without saying
that you can get more sound pressure from a compression driver but it
doesn't sound as good at high output levels. The AMT principle
means the impulse response is better than that of a compression
driver, so that your sense of hearing does not become fatigued during longer periods of listening and it is also seemingly easier
to evaluate the information on offer. The audience no longer
notices the loudspeaker. Instead, they can concentrate better on
the music. Unfortunately, it is difficult to record such properties
in a data sheet.

Offline Peter CINERAMAX

THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
Re: THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
« Reply #10 on: Mon September 08, 2014, 02:17:16 PM »
Here is the home atmos max capacity diagram.

They show floor speakers with a three tiered cinema what gives?

THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.

Obviously these will be wall speakers but the orientation aspect brings interesting repercussions for speaker mounts design and acoustical treatments.

« Last Edit: Mon September 08, 2014, 02:19:22 PM by Peter CINERAMAX »

Offline thxman

THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
Re: THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
« Reply #11 on: Mon September 08, 2014, 06:23:00 PM »
That has been eating at me too.  They (Dolby) know ear level surrounds won't work in commercial theaters, but add it to the spec for home use.  They should mention that if the speaker is just going to be aimed directly so many obstacles, that it is preferred to raise them up.   At least, that is what I would think would be the better option. 

Offline Peter CINERAMAX

THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
Re: THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
« Reply #12 on: Mon September 08, 2014, 06:48:35 PM »
There is going to be a youtube cineramax home atmos intervention at CEDIA Taker will be my cameraman as I pound the door of the by invitation only event- stay tuned.... this has to be put to bed.

Offline Peter CINERAMAX

THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
Re: THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- Atmos Aesthetic Conondrums....
« Reply #13 on: Tue September 09, 2014, 10:25:03 PM »
In the Award thread Art Son brought up interest in Atmos but is reticent to spoil aesthetics.

Jeff says:

Yes. Atmos seems to be counterintuitive to room esthetics. I worried about that as well.

But in fact, at the lighting level I leave my room at for pre-movie, take your seats time, the speakers really blend into the ceiling. In fact the firs time my wife went into the room after the heights were installed, she didn't even notice them.

Granted, to me, there are compromises in esthetics, I just went with it as I know once these multi channel sound tracks roll out, I'll want to experience them. Your room is beautiful. I'm sure you're quite concerned. That said, if you add, I'm sure they'll be discrete in terms of esthetics.

Now, in listening to AURO 3D, the 13.x channel configuration. Does pay out in terms of audio pleasure.
« Last Edit: Tue September 09, 2014, 10:28:15 PM by Peter CINERAMAX »

Offline Peter CINERAMAX

THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER T.- preparing 2 bim models for Heights and widths
« Reply #14 on: Tue September 09, 2014, 10:39:21 PM »
Presented with the newly released Home Atmos directives, that brought the above puzzler of a diagram , (and no one obsesses more than me on the 3d imaging thing because I want to hear an invasion of the personal space that I heard at gravity, where sounds piroutted around my head, through the gut and one object parked right behind my ear) I have a notion that 24 channels will be required to achieve this level of resolution and fully expect it to be absent from the 9.2.4 demos at cedia.

Perhaps the trinnovs 3d cal microphone xyz precision will help to that effect. Well see.

In any event today I comissioned some 3d rederings applicable to aegir and skoll II. all the speakers behind a wall to ceiling screen or the heights attached to the top of the screen and the widths to it's side.

Offline Peter CINERAMAX

THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
Re: THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- PRE CEDIA ROUGH TESTS
« Reply #15 on: Thu September 11, 2014, 01:22:25 AM »
THE RENDERING IS USING MOSCOW CUSTOM LT-20S AS WE COULD NOT MODEL LT-28 IN TIME. It is clear widths and heights need to go outside screen. OH BOY

Major screen redesign and additional door required TO ACCESSBEHIND SCREEN AS NEW FORWARD PROSCENIUM WILL HOUSE HEIGHTS AND WIDTHS.

Offline Peter CINERAMAX

THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
Someone asked which 10 inch driver the Lt-10 has? A very good custom one!
« Reply #16 on: Sun September 21, 2014, 01:17:52 AM »
"Hi Peter

The 10” driver in the LT10 is the same one as we fit in the V3110 studio monitor. The V3110 replaces the VS2108 which had twin 8” drivers. The VS2108 was a very good and popular monitor but the single 10” is better and more suited to multi-channel installations.

Trevor Horn is impressed, Hans Zimmer is impressed,  but what do they know?

The Royal Opera House in Covent Garden London are also impressed. They have  roughly 150 units installed.

The LT10 is a great speaker, of course in the right place, it has another advantage over the LT28, it actually exists.

We have an excellent passive crossover and the load is easy to drive with any amplifier.

I will send you a PDF with the AMT centralised in a day or two.

The only reason for going to twin 8” drivers would be if you really need a lower profile, there is no other reason.


Offline Cinetom

THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
Re: THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
« Reply #17 on: Sun September 21, 2014, 01:09:15 PM »
To make sure I understand this correct the Dolby CP850 cinema processor does not upscale a non Atmos mix. HT variety will upscale?
Do all HT processors in question have both Atmos and Auro processing on board and which brand is currently considered king of the hill.
« Last Edit: Sun September 21, 2014, 01:13:56 PM by Cinetom »

Offline Peter CINERAMAX

THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
Re: THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
« Reply #18 on: Sun September 21, 2014, 11:11:52 PM »
 Dolby wants to preserve the directors intention that is why cinema atmos will deliver a 5.1or 7.1 in 7.1. and home atmos upconverter DOLBY SURROUND will not use the width channels (according to T Grimani -who was introduced to Atmos at the Gravity premiere that changed my business model -perhaps the most important Atmos channels are the side fronts). I have spent a thousand hours deciphering comparing and planning system architectures for  these 3d sounds.

To cut to the second question the brands to look for at the moment are Datasat which has an amazing 16 channel AURO suite (Jeff declared it on his new theater premiere with 4 couples THE BEST PROCESSOR EVER with the Questeds) and will have a card update to Atmos within 6 months, and Trinnov a powerhouse quad i7 supercomputer with the most complex 3d manipulation software on the planet but one that requires a dedicated professional to get to sound right. The Datasat is going to predict better results guaranteed installed by a semi competent professional with a good ear. The Trinnov however is the Formula One, lots of tweaking and calibrating but at the end THE FIRST home Atmos out the door with 16 , 24 or 32 channels. The Trinnov will have AURO as well.

There are several others and I will post more You-tubes covering these kit demos, but cutting to the chase if you don't want a lot of effort Datasat is a safer bet. Me however because I am a sucker for punishment will propose a Trinnov 24 for SKOLL Upgrade 2 this week.
« Last Edit: Sun September 21, 2014, 11:47:09 PM by Peter CINERAMAX »

Offline Peter CINERAMAX

THE OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER THREAD- HT's Hottest upgrade opportunity.
OFFICAL HOME ATMOS PREMIER - Dolby declined interest in Home Certification but..
« Reply #19 on: Sun September 21, 2014, 11:57:57 PM »
I got a prompt response from Dolby's top engineer to my proposal of having Home Atmos Premier certified.

Hi Peter,

My name is Michael Smithers and we spoke at the Dolby booth at the CEDIA expo. I promised to get back to you regarding your questions on “Atmos Premium” certification.

I checked with our professional cinema people. We don’t have any “Atmos Premium” certification program for commercial cinemas.

Dubbing stages that Dolby certifies as being capable of mixing Atmos titles receive the “Dolby Atmos Premier Studio Certification” but there aren’t multiple quality tiers. There is just one certification. Maybe this is what you were referring to? Meyer Acheron are used in some Atmos certified dubbing stages but so are products from other companies.

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/professional/cinema/industry/content-services.html

All Atmos cinema installations are designed according to our guidelines and are approved by our film services teams (around the world) before they can operate as an Atmos cinema.

Dolby doesn’t have any plans to implement a premium certification program for commercial Atmos cinemas nor for consumer Atmos products. I understand why you are interested in this, however we feel it’s not in the best interests of Dolby nor our Atmos product licensees.

Best regards,

Michael Smithers

Perhaps a dissapointment  :'( but at least Craig Eggers expressed the idea of visiting , listenin and measuring one of our Quested 24-32 channel TRINNOV or DATASAT installs and let us know how we did, if only just for kicks and for R&D future planning.

We will continue to expound the virtues of fatigue-free high SPL Atmos systems through cutting edge reproduction chain and will submit to Dolby as soon as one of the Saturn Moons are completed or upgraded.