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Offline MrPixels

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« Reply #45 on: Sat May 06, 2017, 01:39:18 PM »
Nice to see Barcos speedy response time addressing the needed updates on a early product launch. It is obvious Mayers contribution is appreciated by Barco. Great teamwork and fun watching the product come together.
Thumbs up to Barco for being the first to deliver HDMI 2.0 for alternative content in a cinema product.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #46 on: Sat May 06, 2017, 06:41:22 PM »
Tonight I found that the reported gamma adjustment was "only" for HDR UHD Material missing.

For full HD STB Broadcast as well 2D BD and 3D BD there was a new gamma adjustment that comes with the Software update from yesterday and this works perfect.
So even if you not have the Post Software on you can now adjust Gamma.

This is can be very helpfull as you can now select the value that fit to your projection room how dark it is and how you like it.
So only for HDR sources UHD this is still missing.
« Last Edit: Sat May 06, 2017, 06:42:55 PM by w.mayer »

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #47 on: Sat May 13, 2017, 04:20:38 PM »
I have test the last few days 3 different 4K Video Cams with the Barco Thor Projector.

The 3.5 year old Sony AX1 the first Consumer 4K Cam that can record 4K at 60P.
The new Panasonic GH5 the first Picture Camera that can record 4K at 60P that just arrive some weeks ago.
And the big new Professional Sony FS7II that can also record 4K 60 in DCI Format and almost Rec. 2020 color with many other formats.
See Picture that show the size difference.

It was a big surprise as I have post already how good the picture from the 3.5 years old Sony AX1 perform with the Barco Thor Projector.
95% of the UHD Disc are show a less good picture than this old 4K Cam!

Now the new Panasonic GH5 beats picture quality wise the Sony AX1 as the GH5 have an almost 8 times bigger sensor (16:9 area) and there are almost 4 years between this cameras!

A surprise was that the big Sony Professional PXW FS7II perform not better than the GH5 in “how I use it”!
You must know that I cannot playback any of the formats that this camera record with the Oppo UHD Player like with the Sony AX1 MP4 files and the GH5 MP4 Files.

I can only use the HDMI Output from the Sony FS7II  that output 4K at 60 in likely 4:2:0  8 bit.
But this shows a very similar picture to the GH5 and beside handling for sample AF that works not very nice with the GH5 and Zoom (the GH5 have not any electrical zoom at all) the FS7II not show any advantage as how I can use them!
And all this is without talking about the weight price and sizes difference this 2 cameras have!
For sure the Sony FS7II will perform very good when you use this camera as they normally user use it to record in DCI and going to the post production and create a DCI Content with it.
But in my case I do not like to do this.
I prefer an easy playback solution and the Panasonic GH5 give me this see picture number 2.
Just plug the SD Card via a USB SD Card Reader to the Oppo UHD Player and playback the MP4 Files in 4K 60P 4:2:0 at about 150MB.

This give you a picture that beats 98% of all 4K UHD Disc!
And even more if you not need to record in 4K 60P and 30P is enough for you the camera can record AND store it in 4:2:2 10 bit at the SD Card!
I hear that it should be also possible to record the HDMI Output in 4K 60P in 4:2:2 in 10 bit via a separate recorder but I will not do it as the Oppo cannot playback such recordings.

The Leica Lens 12-60mm that comes together with the GH5 (full frame sensor 24-120mm) perform outstanding and the price for a lens like this if often more expensive than this whole
GH5 with the Leica Lens together!
I play 2600 Euro and that’s very cheap for what you get for it.


Record now with the Panasonic GH5 your kids growing or some other important moments as you can capture it easy cheap in an outstanding picture quality that 95% of all Hollywood UHD Disc so far not have.
Times is running fast do it now as this time will never come back.

So the Panasonic GH5 is an absolute insider tip to shot very high quality 4K 60P content and on top it shot also nice pictures.
« Last Edit: Sat May 13, 2017, 04:25:06 PM by w.mayer »

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #48 on: Tue May 16, 2017, 01:50:54 PM »
The issue I report about the 18 meter long optical HDMI Cable that are not working with the Barco Thor Projector when you feed 4K UHD is not a Barco issue.

The manufacturer of the cable confirm today that they will upgrade this cable later this year.
Why this cable are working with other 4K Projectors was not 100% clear for me but good news was it was not the Barco that is wrong.

I try to find out if there is only both end pieces that have to be changed as they contains the electronic.
The fiber cable is already be laid to the walls and tubes and it will be a easy thing to just change the end pieces.


Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #49 on: Fri June 02, 2017, 12:35:00 PM »
I got Info from Barco that I will get a new Software that contains some of the HDR Adjustments and also very likely parts or the full Auto HDR functions in 2 to 3 weeks from now.

Later today I will show this Projector to a Cinema Owner from US.
Lets see what he will say.....

Offline MrPixels

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« Reply #50 on: Fri June 02, 2017, 12:50:16 PM »

Sounds like a fun day, I am sure they will like what they see :)

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #51 on: Tue June 06, 2017, 04:14:35 PM »
Ray Hallett and his wife our good best friend from US just leave us today after they are joining a private event we had here in Germany over the last few days.

He is one of the very few Cinema Owners I know worldwide that “really” taking care about picture and sound quality in his cinemas and he is very technically.
http://www.hallettcinemas.com/
He told me that he had with his 57 Barco DLP Projectors that he have since over 5 years (15 double Stack 3D Setups) not one single issue with one of the Barco Projectors!

We saw 3 movies during his stay.
Two older 2D BD Movies in HD and 1 UHD Title in 4K HDR Rec. 2020 call "Lucy".

Both normally BDs in HD looks thanks to the high cr. (ansi cr. and on off cr.) and the sharp optic the Barco Thor Projector have very good.

Top was the movie "Lucy" in 4K UHD with HDR and Rec. 2020.
That looks like looking out to a glass window he told me after!

Last was the 10 still pictures in 4K 3D.
This pictures looks to him unbelievable.

I was glad that I can show him this finish setup finally as he was last June 2016 here with us but this time I just find out some days before that we can’t bring the Projector down the stairs and therefore we cannot setup the Projector at all.

But good was that he saw the final version with the high ansi cr. and the high on off cr. together with the new Alchemy input module and the latest Software.

Offline donaldk

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« Reply #52 on: Wed June 07, 2017, 09:19:25 AM »
Is he considering upgrading one of his screens with an Barco HC DCi projector, now he has seen your Thor?

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #53 on: Thu June 08, 2017, 05:42:05 AM »
For sure he will consider how he can improve picture quality in the future but this is nothing that will be discuss public I think.

Offline donaldk

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« Reply #54 on: Thu June 08, 2017, 09:45:16 AM »
Just wondering if commercial operators see sense in going with the premium HC projectors. For commercial operators commercial reasons drive decisions, not just the pure image and sound quality. The theater section, where one would expect the story on the capabilities and features, equipment used for each theater to be told, on his company's website, is still empty. So I have no clue what kind of Barco's he using at the moment. I am sure it is (way) better than average, looks like a small chain with an interested owner/operator, that cares for the exhibition quality. Taking the time and exerting the effort to go visit the state of the art demo, alone is proof of that.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #55 on: Mon June 12, 2017, 03:31:31 PM »
I got new Thor Alchemy Plus Software today.

With it it is now possible to playback 4K 60P content in "4:2:0" that was before not possible at all.
So all consumer 4K 60P Cams like the Sony AX1 or the new Panasonic GH5 can playback the content now direct from the camera by using there internal 4K 60P HDMI output.

Next Software will be likely to add some functions about to adjust near black level in 4K HDR content and
also for all other content.

Not sure Art will see this when he visit me next week as this will likely need some days more but lets see.

Offline donaldk

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« Reply #56 on: Mon June 12, 2017, 05:41:45 PM »
Wolfgang what 4K 'broadcast' sources do you have? You mentioned Sky Deutschland, any of the other (demo) channels on satellite, or cable? Is Sky offering only doing a number of Bundes Liga matches in 4K or has it started broadcasting movies and series in 4K, by now? Last year it said it would expands its offering this year, but I have no insight to current schedule. As broadcast and streaming sources are all 4:2:0.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #57 on: Tue June 13, 2017, 03:56:00 AM »
Sky Satellite.

Yes main event was one time a week a Bundesliga soccer game + some Champions League games.
Most looks very nice with a big quality plus compare to there bad HD broadcast.
But I prefer to see movies on UHD 4K Disc so I not use Sky 4K many times.
So far I know all is in 4:2:0.
Since it was now easy to watch direct from the hdmi out from my cameras 4k 60p I will do this more often.
150MB 4K 60P content even if it was only in Rec. 709 looks very nice and as i say often better than a medium good 4K UHD Disc!

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #58 on: Thu June 22, 2017, 05:36:04 PM »
Good News!

There was not any HDMI Cable longer than 10 Meter that works with UHD 4K Disc in HDR Rec.2020 24P AND 60P.

I have try in the past a fiber wire cable 18 meters but it not works together with the Barco Thor and the new Alchemy Plus.

Now I found a new one 30 meters long with no USB Power supply at both ends only the normally HDMI Connector and it works without any problems even with 4K UHD Disc in HDR Rec.2020 in 24 AND 60P!

This 30 meters should cover 99.99% of all setups and looks like a perfect solution.

I will test this cable after Art was here with his Family a bit more in details over the next days and if this test runs well I will post here the details of this cable.


Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #59 on: Fri June 23, 2017, 02:20:12 PM »
I have test some more time this cable and it was
not show any problem with any material I feed with it till UHD 4K HDR Rec. 2020 at 60P!

The cable calls:
"BD Trade hybrid HDMI cable 18G"

It will be available from 7,5 to 50 Meters! (25 to 165 feet) in future may even longer.

I know 3 Companys in Germany where you can order it.
If someone is Interessent in it here are the 3 Companys with there mail Address:
Heimkino Klohs: info@heimkinoklohs.de
Heimkinoraum group: info@heimkinoraum.de
Grobi: info@grobi.tv

But I have to warn you.
Even with this good HDMI Cable "Arrival" UHD 4K Disc will look still very bad picture quality wise  :) but the movie itself is a good movie!

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #60 on: Wed June 28, 2017, 06:07:39 AM »
Uwe did my Thor have a sister or brother now in Germany?

Offline dirk goetze

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« Reply #61 on: Wed June 28, 2017, 10:53:06 AM »
Loki there are you ?

p.s. sorry Wolfgang i could not resist

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #62 on: Wed June 28, 2017, 12:24:52 PM »
No I not mean this smaller Barco one I mean a 2th Thor Projector.

Offline dirk goetze

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« Reply #63 on: Fri June 30, 2017, 07:44:29 AM »
Sorry it was just a joke from movie geek, that doesn't what a "smaller" Loki even exisist

Offline donaldk

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« Reply #64 on: Fri June 30, 2017, 04:35:21 PM »
Wolfgang have you seen the higher resolution photospectrometer in action yet? Does its use improve the image quality compared to calibration with the default photospectrometer?

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #65 on: Sun July 02, 2017, 04:32:03 AM »
I think the difference "in practice" what we human can see between adjust a Projector using a low resolution photo spectrometer and a high resolution photo spectrometer is invisible for a human eye.
My shot view is : In theory better but not visible.

I compare it to kelvin.
There are maybe 10 people in the world that can tell for sure a difference between 50 kelvin up and down.
Now you have an instrument that can tell you 5 kelvin up and down....
That is way below what a normally viewer can detect it is invisible.

May the public what closes they are wearing in what color is more important than this.

But if you have it use it it will be for sure not show any negative things but I doubt that you can see a difference between low and high resolution photo spectrometer so there is no must.

May someday I will get someone come and have one with him and do a calibration with it.
Then I will have 2 color files and can switch between them and then I can rate.
But even if I can see a slight difference in color may my taste tells me use this or this one……
Manufacturer of such high resolution photo spectrometer will see this likely a bit different :).

There are a thousand of other more important things why the Barco Thor show a so good picture and blow everything else away you can buy with money today.

BTW I  change my screen!
I will try the new superlarge V6 Material Screen Material that final arrive at the manufacturer.
Hope it not show any bugs and hope it was the same as before when I have test a 4 meter version that it kills 90% of the speckle and improve cr.
May I will do it in front of my existing one not sure jet.

Offline Kaaga

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« Reply #66 on: Tue July 04, 2017, 04:30:12 PM »
Is there any chance in the future that Barco will start to  support Dolby Vision through firmware update? 
Do You have Despicable me 1-2 UHD or Power Rangers UHD  disk to test it with your  LG OLED- TV-s and then with Barco...
It would be interesting to hear your opinion about  Dolby Vision and quality comparison with HDR10.
« Last Edit: Tue July 04, 2017, 04:39:24 PM by Kaaga »

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #67 on: Wed July 05, 2017, 01:26:48 PM »
Kaaga welcome to this forum!

“Is there any chance in the future that Barco will start to  support Dolby Vision through firmware update? 
Do You have Despicable me 1-2 UHD or Power Rangers UHD  disk to test it with your  LG OLED- TV-s and then with Barco...
It would be interesting to hear your opinion about  Dolby Vision and quality comparison with HDR10.”

I do not think Dolby Vision will be Supported with the Barco Thor at least not any day soon.
What likely will Supported is the HDR + that Samsung and Netflix possible or hopefully other will use soon.
They do also HDR adaptive …..Sequences by Sequences  so not like the standard HDR one Setting for HDR for the whole movie that was a bad idea from the beginning in my view!
So this HDR+ may will also come to the Thor Pr. some day.

About your last question that is not easy to answer.
There are so many issues that made a UHD Disc looks good.
HDR is just one of them.
There are many UHD Disc with a 2K Master that not looks any better or if only a little than the BD 2K Version.
For Projectors HDR is very difficult to show with today’s technic.
Some weeks ago a VIP Person from Cinema visit me after we know each other for over 10 years!
He say that he saw the best HDR Demo ever after I demo him Lucy from UHD Disc in HDR from the Barco Thor.
He say that was a very nice HDR that the Barco Thor can do likely the best he ever saw.
I hope the studios will adopt soon a HDR that are based not only on one Setting for HDR for the whole movie it need to be adaptive sequence by sequence.
If this is Dolby or something else it make not a hug difference for me but Dolby have beside this HDR also
12 Bit and other more improved specification that are not bad.
If Dolby Vision will be widely adopted will be a good question but HDR+ is a very welcome thing that I hope will comes soon.
As I say I think I have hear something that Barco will supported this in the near future with a Software update but as this Standard is not jet final it will be take some time.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #68 on: Mon July 10, 2017, 04:35:08 PM »
Just for fun some real screenshots from one of my favorite older movies
 
"2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY"

Sad the 2K BD version was not very top in Picture Quality even this movie was one of the very rare
true 70mm Productions.

I hope for a 4K UHD HDR Release that looks better.

Please note the pictures are made in 4K but the source was a 2k BD that was not so good.

Offline MrPixels

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« Reply #69 on: Mon July 10, 2017, 05:03:39 PM »
Nice saturated colors, flesh tones look natural. The high ANSI is very visible in the pictures, in a strange way it almost hurts your eyes. Very nice!

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #70 on: Tue July 11, 2017, 08:09:32 AM »
New XXL V6 Screen arrive after some custom delays.

Offline Leo Nolan

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« Reply #71 on: Wed July 19, 2017, 04:43:29 AM »
Hello, I have been following your journey on this projector since the very beginning, and all I can say is thanks for sharing it with us. As you have an oled display and i have seen one in person I know how amazing It looks. From your subject opinion, how does the Thor picture quality compares with the oled's? Is the Thor's picture quality as good ad the oled's?

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #72 on: Wed July 19, 2017, 05:23:54 AM »
Hi Leo welcome to this forum.

Are you following since the beginning here or as well in AVS Forum?
I ask because I think have post it long time ago at AVS this question.

But anyway I try to do it short with the view from today.

Let say it in this way.
If you say the OLED is the best picture today and I think it is then the Barco Thor is the best Projector that comes very close to this picture quality from OLED and in some details he is better than OLEDs.

Pro about Thor:
-Thor have better colors than the OLED
-Thor have much bigger picture than the OLED
-Thor have depends on the screen size more FTL on the screen than OLED can do
-Thor have at least if not more ANSI Cr. than the OLED
-Thor do 3D at full 4K resolution OLED can not do anymore 3D at all

Con about the Thor:
-Thor have less good on off cr. compare to OLED
-Thor is big an heavy
-Thor need some Crestron to drive it as it was to complex for the normally user

But most limit for OLED is now the size.
77" is not a big picture is only a big TV!
A good home cinema should have at least a 4 meter wide screen.

Most difference if you look "only" about the picture quality then the good 6000:1 on of cr. ratio that the Thor have can not match with the infinity on off cr. OLED have.
But this is only weak part in other parameters see above the Thor is the better display.

What is for me always amazing how sharp and "clear" the Thor picture was.
It is not only the high ansi cr. there are more issues responsible for this amazing good picture the Thor have.

So to answer your question short yes the Thor is very close to the OLED in some ways even better and only in on off cr. not as good.
All in all more positive to the Thor.

Offline Leo Nolan

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« Reply #73 on: Wed July 19, 2017, 03:42:18 PM »
Thanks for the welcome man!
I've followed your thread since avs forum, and it is very impressive, you probably have the best home cinema ever.
Thanks for answering my question, it was very clear. It is amazing to think that a screen that big has comparable or even better picture quality to a 70" tv.
By the way, 2001 is also one of my favorite movies, and it looks extremely nice on your Thor. I've learnt that the master for the blu ray was done from an old 35mm film print, instead of 70mm. I think the image in your Thor really recalls a 35mm film projection of the print. Hopefully, some day there will be a new master 70mm master of the film, I am sure it would look stunning in your Thor.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #74 on: Thu July 20, 2017, 04:10:38 AM »
Nice to hear but best is to much.
As I have post I made no compromise in picture quality so I build a black box witch not looks at nice as some with fancy items decorated home cinema as I like to concentrate about the picture.
Nothing should take your attention away from the picture at the screen this was my goal and everything
have to  subordinate to that.

As 2001 will have next year the 50th University it is possible that we will get a new scan hopefully from a good 70mm Version.

The fifth Element UHD is on the way to me and should arrive tomorrow.
This is one UHD Disc I waiting for together with the new Terminator 2 Version in 3D and UHD.

Offline dirk goetze

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« Reply #75 on: Thu July 20, 2017, 06:16:31 AM »
Hello Wolfgang,

i saw the avs review of both Besson 5th and Leon and they looks promising. Looking forward to your Report!
According to your nice 2001 Picture and 70mm notes.

Not miss to see Nolans "Dunkirk" 75 min shout in IMAX 1:1,43 in 4k Laser in Berlin next week
Starting today in Pragues Flora IMAX in glory 15/70 mm 1:1,43, but i will see it in german...

heres a link to nolans format guide
Christopher Nolan's 'Dunkirk' Gets Massive 70mm Release — Here's Where It's Playing

best Dirk

« Last Edit: Thu July 20, 2017, 06:21:53 AM by dirk goetze »

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #76 on: Thu July 20, 2017, 08:30:09 AM »
I do not give anyting to AVS reports as there since years people talk about good picture quality from the BD or other source material.
More than one time I found this "so good Picture" very bad with my projectors.

Often later I found out that the people report about "this very good picture" have a 50" Plasma and sit 4 or more times the screen wide back!
In this setup everything including VHS Tapes looks good :)

I will be wait to see this new Nolans Movie in UHD at my home with a "perfect picture" :)
I am a big fan of Nolans Movies most of them I see it more than one time.
« Last Edit: Thu July 20, 2017, 01:52:49 PM by w.mayer »

Offline Leo Nolan

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« Reply #77 on: Sun July 23, 2017, 01:05:25 AM »
Have you seen the IMAX with laser system tho? I haven't but I've heard wonderful things. It would be fun to know how it compares with your thor.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #78 on: Sun July 23, 2017, 05:48:53 PM »
How you can compare?

Very difficult
-not same room
-not same screen size
-not same screen surface
-not same content and so on...........

Commercial Cinema need a exit light I not ....
Commercial Cinema need because of fire protection a port hole glass that kills a lot of quality I not.

So there are many other parameters where it is unfair to compare and I have not seen IMAX myself.
I hear it looks good.
I know a friend that was in Germany Sinsheim in a IMAX and I think he like it.
So far I remember right they have 2 Projectors so 3D motion looks very good I am sure.
He like the picture a lot he told me.

I saw Dolby Vision one time.
It was a nice good picture (a normally 2D movie in 2K) bright with very good blacks ( on off cr.) and good color.
But the Ansi Cr. was for sure not as good as the Thor.

A big plus as I say was to have this Projector in a private room so no need for port hole glass that kills all what is in a 4K Source inside and you can if you like design the room how you like it and with no need for a exit sign or other compromises the Cinemas have to do.

Some VIP visit me some days ago and he saw everything.
Not sure I have report about it already or not but he told me it was the best Image he saw so far.
He know IMAX and Dolby Vision so this say a lot.

5th Element UHD Disc not arrive me on time for the weekend so sad..... but hope for tomorrow.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #79 on: Thu July 27, 2017, 06:55:08 PM »
Yesterday something exiting happen.

I got after long time a first 4K3D “””Video””” content in 24P and the Thor play it back with not any problem.

Content was coming from Günter Peschke.
No wonder that the Hollywood Reporter call him the 3D Brain from Germany in an older edition.
Thanks also to the Guy that convert the RAW Material record with 2 Red Dragon to a DCI 4K 3D 24P Stream.

The Barco 4K Laser Projectors include the Thor are so far I know the only Projectors in the world that can playback this
4K 3D content in 24P and 30P.
This content looks unbelievable good nothing I have seen in my live match this quality!

Sad is that the Barco Thor had a bug that makes the playback a bit time consuming.
When you playback DCI Content and switch to other content like BD in 2D or 3D or UHD Disc the color from
DCI Content is still on but then the Barco show a wrong color as the source is not anymore DCI content!
Much too much red the picture is not watchable.
The only temporary solution is to switch after you finish to playback DCI Content to a BD Marco or any other Macro than is NOT DCI and shut the Pr. down and start up again.
Then you have the right color again till you will playback again DCI Content but it takes about close to 10 minutes.
Switching manual the color did not work.

Open the picture in full 4K at least you can guess a bit how good it will be looks live.

Offline Cinetom

Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
Re: Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
« Reply #80 on: Thu July 27, 2017, 08:16:47 PM »
Colors look amazing, WOW!

Offline Leo Nolan

Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
Re: Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
« Reply #81 on: Fri July 28, 2017, 03:00:05 AM »
Hello, this really does look amazing, the color is stunning. I am wondering about the quality of 4k blu rays compared to dcp. Will the 4k blu ray of a movie look noticeably worse than the dip version?

Offline w.mayer

Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
Re: Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
« Reply #82 on: Fri July 28, 2017, 04:25:04 AM »
A good UHD BD "can" look as good as a DCI Content with not any big visible Differences.

In the past comparing a 2K 2D BD to a DCI File the DCI File was always better.
Easy to see that color was so much better.

Now with UHD Disc this is very likely not anymore the case.

It is on my agenda to get some DCI 4K Material that I can get also in 4K UHD Disc.
And if both are good mastered I expect a very similar picture.




Offline w.mayer

Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
Re: Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
« Reply #83 on: Fri July 28, 2017, 11:54:17 AM »
I have test "The 5th Element" on UHD Disc.

It looks great for such an old in 35mm movie!
Colors where nice and all other things looks also good.
Sony did a good job and not remove in some sequences the noise that are coming from the 35mm Film itself
as other Studios do from time to time and this is not good.

All the computer animations are of course still up convert 2K Material but all the rest look very nice.
If you are a fan of this Movie you should get this disc as it show the Movie better than ever.

I hear it was sold out at Amazon US so looks like there are more people there that take care about quality than some company’s think
and this is a good news and makes me happy!

Offline dirk goetze

Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
Re: Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
« Reply #84 on: Thu August 03, 2017, 10:05:03 AM »
Hello Wolfgang,

I'm curios what's going on with your new Fabric ?
Away from the fact if you will replace your former screen,what are your general impression ?

Best Regards dirk

P.S. I know you 1 in a million who can say I will wait and watch the movie in better /best quality AT HOME, but the 75 minutes 1,43: 1 "nativ" IMAX in Dunkirk is worth a try and I think the chance to see it that way, will not come so fast in the near future. I leave the IMAX Berlin very impressed !

Offline w.mayer

Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
Re: Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
« Reply #85 on: Sat August 05, 2017, 08:58:30 PM »
As i have post i got the big roll but it will take some time as i dont know how i mount it and how i do it exactly.
As this material offers me to put the speakers behind i think to may do this but then i have to rebuild the box for the speakers as i need it less deep.
But may i will do this new screen just in front of my old screen.
Disatvantage then new screen will be about 0,7 meters more close to the distance we normally watch movies (the secound middle row).
Picture will be about good 15% dimmer. Not a Problem at all for 2d ( need do dim down laser as it was still to bright) but for 3d maximum will be only about 24ftl anymore ( with Isco 1,25 anamorpnic lens) :).
Advantage if something i not like about the new screen than i simply can remove the new screen and have my old screen back.
Speckling will be reduce to almost 0 even for 3d where speckling is more visible than in 2d.

Think it will be 1-2 months to deside and do it.
Will report about it here.

Offline Leo Nolan

Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
Re: Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
« Reply #86 on: Mon August 07, 2017, 04:10:36 AM »

Hello Dirk, I haven't yet had a chance to see the imax with laser system and I know the one in Berlin is one of the few there are, how was the picture quality?


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