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Offline w.mayer

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« on: Wed February 15, 2017, 05:36:10 AM »
Since 2002 I have post at AVS Forum about my Projectors I saw own or try in my live and many people around the world know me from there and trust my statements.

As lately are some problems comes up I decide in early December 2016 to stop posting there.

I was not what I want but some circumstances push me to do it.

I was not full happy with this outcome as it was a shame that there was not any more updates published about the development this Projector gets as the Projector I got was a normally Barco DP4K-30L see here:
http://www.barco.com/en/Products/Projectors/Cinema-projectors/Flagship-laser-cinema-projectors/L-series/Ultra-bright-6P-RGB-laser-cinema-projector-for-premium-mid-size-screens.aspx

The Thread at AVS about all this starts at 20 th May 2016 just after some weeks I have visit Barco in there HQ in Belgium and contains a lot of good information and pictures and ends in
early December 2016 where I stop posting in general at AVS.
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/86-ultra-hi-end-ht-gear-20-000/2459858-short-day-barco-6p-4k-laser-dlp.html

So for all that like to read how everything develops I will post here from time to time new information about it and I start later today with 2 exiting  good news!


Linkback: http://dci-forum.com/hi-end-cinema-home/11/barco-thor-4k-6p-residential-laser-projector-best-world/1710/

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #1 on: Wed February 15, 2017, 05:53:26 PM »
For those that don’t know the full story let me tell you that I order the normally Barco DP 4K-L30 in May 2016 and as this time the High Contrast Version the Thor was not ready
Barco promise to me to upgrade my Unit step by step to the full Thor specification.
After installation Barco Technician was 2 times here to change parts in the Pr. so at the moment this Pr. is a full Thor at least Cr. wise.
The only missing part is the new Alchemy Input section that should be coming in the next weeks.


First the scaling bug was solved.
Problem for me was always that the optic cannot light up the whole 7 meter 2.35 Format screen when the native 3840 pixels are displayed.
I need to scale it to 4096 to fill my screen.
In the past I can do only a horizontally stretch but as the Pr. not do the same stretch vertically the aspect ratio was wrong (too wide).
This I complain since long time and also other Barco DLP Cinema Pr. User from US I know.
But it turns out it was just a matter of the right settings you have to made with the Barco so it was not a Barco bug it was just a missing info about how to adjust it right.

Second I did a big increase about color fidelity.
Color for 2D and 3D BD and all what is Rec. 709 like TV from STB are perfect as it can be but my UHD with DCI Color and HDR never looks perfect.
You must know that I have a very specially way to feed to the HDMI 1.4 Input from the old Alchemy UHD Content in HDR and DCI color.

The Panasonic UHD Player outputs the signal that goes into a Lumagen Pro Scaler than his output goes into a special box and then to the Barco.
This setup is need to do UHD 4K HDR in DCI color with the existing Inputs.

I have always there good colors but they never looks perfect.
Now I found out why.
The Post Software from the Barco allows to put any color coordinates from any color standard inside.
When I do this and put the coordinates from DCI inside the picture looks always a bit to green Yellow.
Not much but you can see it.
I found out that there are 2 different DCI Color specs there!
The coordinates are 100% the same but the white points are different!
See here a picture.
So when I change the white points to D65 bingo now the color looks almost 100% perfect. 
So looks like all UHD Disc are made for the DCI P3 color with D65 and not for the Theater DCI P3 Standard.

Third I put a new 65” 4k OLED from LG at the back right side at the cinema as a Reference Display inside.
As the OLED show today the best possible Picture money can buy I put this LG OLED 2015 Model inside.
I will soon change it to the 2016 Model as this will have much better DCI Colors and it will be the last model with 3D Support as
LG make a in my view very wrong decision to stop 3D Support for their 2017 OLED models to catch up the brightness HDR race with LEDs as the
3D Foil that is necessary drops about 30% light.

Anyway this new OLED are the perfect match to see both images at the same time and allows me things that are impossible to do without having this OLED.

Offline Nick

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« Reply #2 on: Thu February 16, 2017, 09:28:32 AM »
Hi Wolfgang!

Good to see you here  :) And even better that your fans can now follow your adventures on the DCI-forum :)
The last information is pretty interesting. I assume that the color reference points (P3 based on D65 point) would be also true for my DP-1200. I will give it a try soon.

Best, Nick

Offline Cinetom

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« Reply #3 on: Thu February 16, 2017, 11:45:56 AM »
The difference in color temperature really makes a difference, very visible. Good post.

Offline bdgarcia

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« Reply #4 on: Thu February 16, 2017, 11:29:20 PM »
Hi Wolfgang - Great to be able to follow your successes again.   My Thor is supposed to ship on 03/03/2017.   My new screen ships on 02/28/2017.   I have started a thread on Avsforum about my build out.   It is titled The Mouse House Theater.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #5 on: Fri February 17, 2017, 04:57:46 AM »
Hi Nick nice you join here!

Yes Cinetom its a visible difference even if the first picture include some more adjustments about HDR Gama curve and so on.
Because of this I post this new 2 pictures as they show ONLY the difference between the 2 white points from both DCI P3 Specifications.

Also here in this forum the pictures are much better.
The preview is much bigger for many that just need a small look its may be fine to watch only the
preview and when you go to + you can see the pictures in for sample 4k resolution
with no further compressing!
So a very good picture quality I like it.


« Last Edit: Fri February 17, 2017, 05:10:09 AM by w.mayer »

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #6 on: Fri February 17, 2017, 08:39:35 AM »
Hi Bryan

Nice to see you here!

I see your post at AVS but i doubt that this was the right place  :).
Think here this page is the perfect place for it and that is the reason why i continue only here.

Hope you will have the same good picture that I have as the Pr. as it was today blow all away that I have seen in my live and I saw a lot  :).


Offline Cinetom

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« Reply #7 on: Mon February 20, 2017, 02:51:15 PM »
How is speckle on these.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #8 on: Mon February 20, 2017, 04:14:29 PM »
Speckle is depending on Screen you use and other things.

I use a Harkness Matt Preview Screen that is the best non speckling normally Screen and other fabric screens like the V6 are have much less almost not show any speckle at all.

Speckle is also depending on what you see 3D or 2D.
In 2D when you use all 6 Lasers speckle is not a issue for 99.9% when Screen is like the one I have.
In 3D Speckle was more visible as per Eye only 3 Laser works.

I will see if I will may be change my screen to the V6 when my big size will be there and if they can do it perfect without any bugs at all.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #9 on: Sat February 25, 2017, 06:52:13 AM »
We watch yesterday the movie "Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children" first in the 3D BD version and later i have check the UHD Disc quality.

First this is a very rare movie in UHD that use the 1.85 Format as most other are using the 2.35 Format.

The picture quality from the 3D BD version was outstanding but also the UHD 2D 4K HDR Rec. 2020 version looks very good.
Some of the early parts of the movie was perfect to show the top Ansi cr. the Barco Laser Pr. have.

It was one more time a good example what a good 3D BD and a good UHD Disc can show at home and this Discs was a perfect tool to show how important a good Ansi Cr. is.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #10 on: Sat February 25, 2017, 05:13:01 PM »
I have check again in the movie
"Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children" UHD Disc or 3D BD Version
between 2:50 and 9:00 are some very good parts to see how good ANSI Cr. can look.
This is reference material!

Offline Cinetom

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« Reply #11 on: Sat February 25, 2017, 11:11:46 PM »
Mayer I will give this title a try on my home system "non" Thor projector, I am expecting it will not look as good  :(

Keep the info coming. I hope Bryan is able to contribute as well.


Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #12 on: Mon February 27, 2017, 10:02:31 AM »
I have many unseen BDs in 3D and 2D.

Now as the Barco was beside that my 4K3D pictures still not work and the new Alchemy Input is missing perfect we see lately a lot of BD movies.
Yesterday I see "Badman The Dark Knight" for the first time on BD.

Like most other BDs we saw after the full cr. upgrade to the Thor Version again this high ANSI Cr. is really specially.

Believe it or not but almost every normally 2D and 3D BD looks a bit like HDR Material!
May some people will say “oh what he tells because the on of cr. is still in the only a bit over 6.000:1 range it can’t be that good” but people that know me for long time know that I not report about it when this is a non-issue or not something very new.

The reason was the high ANSI Cr. in combination with my black box design of my cinema with almost 0 reflection back to the screen I have report since some time.
One week ago we watch with a guest a normally 2D BD and he ask if this was 4K UHD with HDR and Rec. 2020 color.
I say no it was not UHD just a normally 2K BD in 2D but he can’t believe until I show him the disc playing!
So it was not only me that see it this way.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #13 on: Mon March 06, 2017, 08:14:39 AM »
I got good news from Barco.

Tim Sinnaeve Residential Managing Director Barco inform me today that I will likely get the new Alchemy
in 2-3 weeks from now.

As our Pay TV Station Sky start to broadcast 4K soccer in 3840x2160 50P I need this new Input to show it.

I can not use my tricks how I can see with the old Alchemy UHD HDR Rec. 2020 4K Disc.
At 4K 50P there is not any trick possible you need the HDMI 2.0 for it.

I now only hope that this unit will offer to see after a 10 month break my 4K 3D slides again or at least not
"much" later.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #14 on: Fri March 10, 2017, 04:44:38 PM »
Some months ago I got the OPPO UHD Disc Player but as this was full of different bugs I return it.
Now I got it back as the dealer promise me that most of the bugs I complain ( for sample 24.00P output and not the right 23.976P) are solved.

So it test UHD BD in 2D and 3D and yes I can confirm the running now at the right frame rate with no micro stutter at all.

What was funny to see is how different the OPPO UHD Player output colors compare to the Samsung.
Please see here 2 sample picture where you can compare easy how much different color both Player show.
The Samsung have too much Red that was complained since some time compare to the very natural
looking colors from the new OPPO UHD Player.
Best you can see it in the 20th Century Fox Logo but if you watch close you can see it in the other Picture as well.

I cannot understand how people with a high end Projector can report that they are fine with the Samsung UHD Player!
At one side they talking about Projector calibration like crazy for 1 % more or better color accuracy and on the other side they use a UHD Player that have a far bigger color bug  a Projector can have  and they accept it and run such a UHD Player in there High End system !
I will never understand things like this.
May some of this people should take a close look about my pictures to realize the difference.
Before anybody will ask YES I have the latest Software in the Samsung.

Pictures was taken with the Canon 5DSR a Zeiss Otus 28mm Lens and the
LG 4K 77" OLED and therefore pictures have some kind of interferences visible.

« Last Edit: Sat March 11, 2017, 04:03:40 AM by w.mayer »

Offline dirk goetze

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« Reply #15 on: Wed March 15, 2017, 01:32:48 PM »
Hello Wolfgang,

good what jump over to this side !
what time you expect your big V6 fabric ?
Mine 150" V6 work very well in my Batcave and i'm curious abhout your impressions.

Best Regards dirk

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #16 on: Wed March 15, 2017, 06:23:09 PM »
Hi Dirk
A good decision!
Welcome to this forum.

No i have not hear about my big 7 meter version.
I waiting for a info.

Best Wolfgang

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #17 on: Wed March 15, 2017, 06:32:29 PM »
I got this week some 4K 3D DCI Content that contains some 4K 3D Slides I have made.
This will be the first time to see at home my Private 4k 3D Still Pictures again after I sold my double Stack Barco B32 almost 1 year ago.

Good news was it works and my Projector playback this DCI File in native 4K 3D at 24P.

But there was some bugs inside.
First I send to the Guy that do the DCI file for me some wrong TOP DOWN Pictures where Left and Right was mixed so when I playback it sometimes I have to 180° turn the 3D Glasses
as the left right was wrong.
But this will be easy to solve I will get soon a new file that should be not have this bug anymore on.

More a problem was the other bug that the right part from the 3D Picture always show a normally color with normally saturation level but the left part show a huge decrease in color saturation and color itself also looks very wrong much too much green and red looks like almost missing complete.
It looks a little bit that the Projector use a wrong color bank for the left part of the 3D Picture or it can be also a bug in the freeware that was used to create this DCI File.
Here some picture how left and right looks.
Please also take a look about the first 2 pictures.
I try to get the coated glasses out from the 3D glasses as i have to use it to make good pictures.
It not went well to cook the glasses :) so I to put it into 2 parts :)

As you can see in the pictures playing back BD in 3D works fine there is not any difference in color between left and right so this bug must be coming from Projector side or Source side.

I have check again with other 3D DCI Content and also a Clip from Hobbit in 2K 3D HFR (48P) show the same bug see pictures!
So this makes it more than likely that the Bug coming from the Barco Pr.
I remember in the early days that 3D BDs show a similar bug with the Barco but it can be also a other reason.

I hope that Barco can get me the original 4K 3D version they promise to me with a passive input with two HDMI Inputs where Left and Right Part of the
4K 3D Picture coming from a PC Graphic Card that outputs a 4K 3D Image via Dual Desktop TOP DOWN soon to solve this issues.

Beside this bugs it looks very promising what I have seen so far.
Picture was very clean and sharp almost too sharp and that’s the reason why I do some new 3D processing with less sharpness enhancement as it looks to sharp with the level I had in the past for my B32 double stack and this show how good the 3D can be with this Barco Thor.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #18 on: Thu March 16, 2017, 08:00:32 AM »
I am happy to report that the color bug is solved.

The Barco Technician goes via TeamViewer into my Projector and use some new settings.
I am glad that it was easy to sole this bug by using just some other "the right adjustments".

Colors looks now perfect.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #19 on: Thu March 16, 2017, 07:57:20 PM »
I got a new DCP File with 15 of my best 4K 3D Stills and now as I have made a new 3D processing with left right was ok and the color bug solved all is now perfect.
I also learn to adjust via the Barco Post Software this pictures to fine tune them and store this settings under a special Marco for 4K 3D Pictures.
Some pictures looks shocking good and better than any even the best UHDs.
I must realize that even with the much lower sharpness I process this new batch of pictures some of them looks too sharp.
Looks like I have to use 0 sharpness as even 10 is too high.
The reason why I can do this is how the Barco Thor project the images.
There is no need for a enhancement as the Picture was perfect WITHOUT any of this tools.
« Last Edit: Thu March 16, 2017, 08:00:04 PM by w.mayer »

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #20 on: Tue March 21, 2017, 05:17:21 PM »
Sad to report that I found some new issues with the new Oppo UHD Player.

The Sharpness control for BD is almost 0 even if you use the highest setting possible it’s hard to see a difference between 0 and max. sharpness.
Even more bad with UHD Disc there is not any Sharpness enhancement possible at all as 0 show the same picture as max. settings.
Other like color saturation and contrast and all working just the sharpness not at all!
Bad for me as the Lumagen I use for playback UHD HDR content to the Barco (till I get the new Alchemy) had also for UHD not any sharpness control at all inside so I have nothing at all if
I like to use it.
I hate to use much sharpness and as I have report here there is almost no need for it as the Barco Pr. show a very good picture but I like to have this control as some of
the about 95% average looking UHDs need some slight sharpness enhancement some time.

About good and bad UHDs.
I just watch “Passengers” in UHD one hour ago.
Thanks to the perfect Info tool the Oppo UHD Player have I know this UHD Disc was mastered at 4000 nits.
I decrease contrast a bit as my Lumagen Gama curve are made for 1000 nit content UHD Disc.
But picture looks in some sequences very good in some only good.
Looks like some material was only in 2K.
But this UHD Disc is a good sample for a top picture UHD quality.
Sad to say this is still rare this days as most UHD Disc are only average quality and many like from Warner are 2K only.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #21 on: Sun March 26, 2017, 10:37:45 AM »
We watch yesterday Arrival UHD with the Barco.

A very good movie we all like it.

Beside that this UHD Disc was very dim and many people complain about it the good thing having a high brightness Barco Thor you just need to open the laser a bit more to compensate it.

I found 2 bugs don´t know where both are coming from.

First the Banding.
Both setups the Barco 4K Laser and the 77" LG OLED show banding especially in the picture at 45 min. 51 sec. take a look.
I have try any combination of the OPPO output but it is always visible as you see it in this pictures.
Please open the full resolution to see it good.
The excuse the Barco have is that I have made the UHD Disc Playback only possible with a lot of tricks so not sure the new Alchemy will be show this bug or not.
I also don´t know if it may come from the disc itself or not.
The disc is mastered with 4000 nits.

Then the LG 77" show some vertical line that the Barco setup not show.
I have not any idea what is the reason for this.
As I have many problems about handshake from OPPO UHD Player to my Denon AVR 4200 I use with the LG OLED I try already
to connect the OPPO UHD Player direct with the OLED but also there this Line Bug is still there the handshake was ok this way.
So the Denon AVR 4200 is the problem for the handshake I guess.
I will try the Panasonic UHD Player and see if it will be there as well.
If so it’s likely that the LG OLED is the problem and that is not good at all.

Please note that this pictures was shot to show the bugs and not to rate picture quality between the OLED and the Barco.
Both show different colors as I use Auto Color for this pictures and the laser act different than the OLED.

May someone have some helpful information about the bugs I report.

Offline donaldk

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« Reply #22 on: Sun March 26, 2017, 11:02:25 AM »
One line Wolfgang? And only to the left? I see a bar at the spot of the x-es, then at least three vertical bars to thright and 6 or even 7 to the left, so at least 10 bars on my simple laptop. Am I the only one to see more bars in this picture?

Striking color difference on the LG OLED and Barco Thor pictures. The LG treestumps are black, the picture posted of the Barco image is blueish.

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #23 on: Sun March 26, 2017, 11:27:12 AM »
Yes there are not only a line visible.
The question is where it comes from?
If I remember right I saw this kind of bug in the OLED in past also but not remember what source I feed this time.

I have explain already why the camera show in automatic color  different colors in the pictures but this is very normally when you know how this auto color in camera works.
But this is not the point.
The issue is both show banding so bad i never ever saw before and I don´t know what cause it.


Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #24 on: Sun March 26, 2017, 03:35:29 PM »
I do more test on the Banding and on the Line bug I found.

First the Panasonic UHD Player show the same bug for color banding at both the LG OLED and the Barco Pr. and also this line but is visible at the LG OLED.

BTW the handshake with the Denon was way better than the OPPO UHD.
Not perfect but switch one time the Denon of and on I get always after a picture with the OPPO do this 20 times and often not any picture!

Than I try different UHD Disc Passengers and this vertical line bug was also there visible with the LG OLED.
Than I try Maze Runner1 and also I can found this bug.
The darker the picture was the better you can see it but looks like its harder to see with the 1000 nit UHD Disc.
Both other UHD Disc are mastered at 4000 nits as Sony do most of the time.

So likely the Line bug was the LG OLED .......too bad will ask them.
Let´s see if i can get any feedback.
With other sources so far I never see it but i will watch for it now and let´s see if I can found it there as well.
« Last Edit: Sun March 26, 2017, 03:58:42 PM by w.mayer »

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #25 on: Mon March 27, 2017, 02:19:31 PM »
I have check with SAT Signals this Line I report is visible also with other content with my 77" LG OLED!
The more dark the picture is the better you can see this line.
This is why with this very dim mastered Arrival UHD movie it was so good visible.
Not good!

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #26 on: Thu April 06, 2017, 06:13:24 AM »
The Barco Technician finally will install next week Wednesday 12th April the new Alchemy.

It will be the first new Alchemy in the world that will be installed in the field.

Let’s think positive and hope everything will be working fine.

Offline MrPixels

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« Reply #27 on: Fri April 07, 2017, 01:36:28 PM »
Yes you will be the very first in the world to have the new Barco Alchemy and HDMI 2.0. You are everyones eyes and ears cant wait for your report. No one better to put a new product through testing, I hope the experience puts a smile on your face.
« Last Edit: Fri April 07, 2017, 01:39:16 PM by MrPixels »

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #28 on: Wed April 12, 2017, 05:07:37 AM »
Object of Desire arrive today!

Here a first Picture.
The Barco technician will be working on it and hopefully this afternoon/evening I have a smile on my face......

Offline donaldk

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« Reply #29 on: Wed April 12, 2017, 05:19:21 AM »
No way to feed it 4K over SDI? With just the two 3G inputs. So the new HDMI input is essential to input 4K. Will be interesting to see how it performs, Wolfgang.
« Last Edit: Wed April 12, 2017, 05:20:56 AM by donaldk »

Offline w.mayer

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« Reply #30 on: Wed April 12, 2017, 12:52:11 PM »
So Donaldk the first time this unit is with a consumer in the world after so many wait for a report and you ask this???

I don't care  about this 2 SDI inputs as there is not any need for me but if someone need it its there he can feed 4K with it so far i know.

I will post a report about the outcome of this day may later today.

Offline donaldk

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Re: Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
« Reply #31 on: Wed April 12, 2017, 01:12:05 PM »
Wolfgang you misunderstood what I said/tried to say, it is not about the SDI, but the HDMI. With no high bandwidth SDI, the new HDMI is required/crucial for feeding the Barco with 4K. As it is the only way of getting the 4K, with HDR and wide color, high bitdepth, to the projector. So very interesting to see how this long awaited/highly anticipated unit performs.

Offline w.mayer

Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
Re: Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
« Reply #32 on: Wed April 12, 2017, 04:59:09 PM »
A smile on my face?

Yes but not because everything runs well today.

First it was easy to swap the Alchemy out just 4 screws open slide the old one out change the 3 hard drives to the new Alchemy and swap new Alchemy again inside close the 4 screws.
Then put new Software on the Barco for the new Alchemy done.

First the negative things.
3D BD are not working anymore right.
There was some synch problem between left and right in motion visible that the technician from Barco cannot solve today.
Also we cannot scale 2D and 3D BD and 4K UHD in the scope format from 3840 to 4096 by enlarge it horizontally AND vertically both at the same time that I can use my full screen.
It should be possible with a new Software release but not  know when.
2D BD was working fine but need a bit adjustments for Gamma and other Parameters.
Post Software had this adjustments but it was not working with the new Alchemy!
Gamma adjustment work with the Post Software so at least this I can adjust to the right level.

UHD works after I found some nice tools about HDR good.
It shows factory wise also a very very dim image but Barco was smart enough to listen to me about my since long time reported issue and the put a nice feature inside.
They have a section where you can select HDR and there you can put any number (nit) from I think 0 to 10.000 inside that makes the clipping point of HDR.
May it starts with 100 nit but I just short try 300 nit to 700 nit.
300 nit was a bit too bright with too much clipping for my taste.
500 nit looks near perfect.
Nice was the Sony UHD Disc when you display the hidden UHD Test pattern and they show clear  what number you put inside at the Barco this will be the clipping point.
So a bit similar to the HDR Slider Sony did with their 4K UHD Consumer pr.
I like how Barco did it as you can select whatever you like and adopt it to the individual screen size.
May some like more brightness they use 300 nit other like 500 nit or even more.
For my eyes with my screen size I like everything from 400-650 nit with the Barco as it give the best result.

Compare this 4K UHD HDR Rec. 2020 Picture with the picture I have since long time with the Lumagen Scaler und Stripper (the tricky way to feed 4K HDR to the old Alchemy) it’s hard to say what looks better.
I not see a big improvement it show a slightly other picture with more colors in some areas with a bit different color over all and less clipping in bright sequences.
I have to test more before I post the result.
BTW the OPPO not woks with my new Marantz Decoder together when you playback UHD Disc!
Not with 24P and also not with 4K 60P Version from the Billy Linn Movie we try as well.
So I have to feed the picture direct from Oppo to the Barco without any Marantz in-between!
Not good but cannot say what cause it.
Was it the Oppo UHD Player the reason or the Marantz but this HDMI hand shack problems gets worse and worse................

Most exiting today was that I was able to see for the first time Billy Lynns Long Haftime Walk in UHD 4K HDR Rec. 2020  with the world first 60P Disc and it looks like real!
Very good I like it a lot even if you need to adopt to 60P coming from 24P since long time is hard but when you get used to 60P there is no way back to 24P.
It will be even better some day when Oppo have their sharpness enhancement ready as at the moment this feature is not there.

So all over a mix day for me as it was pity that 3D BD not work right so I cannot use the new Alchemy at the moment.

I hope for a fast solution about my 3D BD issue and the 3840 to 4096 scale for scope movies and the issue that adjustment’s from Post Software can be not made for
Saturation Brightness Contrast and Hue then I can go and use the new Alchemy and test it in many other ways.


Offline w.mayer

Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
Re: Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
« Reply #33 on: Fri April 14, 2017, 12:44:54 PM »
I got surprisingly a mail today from Barco Development saying that the have a new Software for me that may solve the 3D BD Playback issues I report in my last post.

So I swap the old Alchemy out that was inside put the new one inside change the 3 hard drives and Barco help me to put that new Software on.

Wow 3D Bug is gone!

What a nice surprise.

I have hear in the past that Barco is a big slow elephant but this time it was like a big fast Tiger :).
Just 2 days it need to solve my major 3D problem very nice thank you Barco.

The bad thing about it now I like this kind of fast bug solving every time  :)

They told me that they need some weeks for the other things to solve but this gives me now the possibilty that I will use this new Alchemy and test it with all UHD 4K HDR Rec. 2020 color disc I have include the first 4K 60P movie and Sky 4K broadcast at 50P.


Offline MrPixels

Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
Re: Barco Thor 4K 6P Residential Laser Projector the best in the World?
« Reply #34 on: Fri April 14, 2017, 02:13:48 PM »
Good work on Barco's behalf. You are an asset to them reporting the bugs so they know first what needs to be addressed.  It is expected some things will take a little longer but Barco knowing how important 3D is to you it is nice they were able to tackle this in a timely manor. I am sure that put a smile on your face:)


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